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    Re: 7/12/13 - Reds @ Bravos

    I think that gun has to be fast. I don't remember ever seeing so many guys make any kind of contact when Chapman is at 100+.

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    Re: 7/12/13 - Reds @ Bravos

    Good to shut up those stupid warchants in Atlanta...

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    Re: 7/12/13 - Reds @ Bravos

    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    Lots of Freeman bashing on RZ, but I think he's pretty impressive.
    He's very impressive, nobody has bashed him.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: 7/12/13 - Reds @ Bravos

    I think the gun was 2-3MPH fast for the same reason.

    Servo delivers again. Please start tomorrow's game thread now.

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    Re: 7/12/13 - Reds @ Bravos

    Thanks for giving me a good thread for someone to "talk" to tonight, folks.

    Pay attention to the open sky

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    Re: 7/12/13 - Reds @ Bravos

    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck View Post
    Can someone explain to me why the Reds constantly allow runners to take bases with fielders indifference? This comes back to bite them constantly.
    They do it when the run is meaningless.

    It never matters.

    Can you give an example when they'll allowed the tying run to get on base in the last inning?
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    Re: 7/12/13 - Reds @ Bravos

    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmo View Post
    Pirates just won too, not gaining any ground today, let's hold pace.
    Gained ground on the Nats, 5 up on the wild card now.

    Dodgers (also 5 behind, down 2-0).

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    Re: 7/12/13 - Reds @ Bravos

    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck View Post
    Can someone explain to me why the Reds constantly allow runners to take bases with fielders indifference? This comes back to bite them constantly.
    When did RI become so in vogue anyways? It used to be called a SB if you stole it. If it means a run scored or a tying runner in Scoring position....then it is a stolen base to me, if the other team is indifferent to it, that is there problem.

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    Re: 7/12/13 - Reds @ Bravos

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    When did RI become so in vogue anyways? It used to be called a SB if you stole it. If it means a run scored or a tying runner in Scoring position....then it is a stolen base to me, if the other team is indifferent to it, that is there problem.
    Because they don't want to give a stolen base in any situation in which the stolen base does not increase your chance of winning one iota, and the defence understands it.

    If it's the tying run, they don't call "fielder's indifference".

    The 2nd Atlanta run was meaningless. The last Atlanta baserunner was meaningless.

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    Re: 7/12/13 - Reds @ Bravos

    I'm torn, the run is meaningless. But what about the one iota possibility that giving up the force at 2nd will matter.

    I'd just call all things even, and call them all stolen bases and assume it all evens out in the end.

    If it didn't matter why would guys even bother stealing?

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    Re: 7/12/13 - Reds @ Bravos

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I'm torn, the run is meaningless. But what about the one iota possibility that giving up the force at 2nd will matter.

    I'd just call all things even, and call them all stolen bases and assume it all evens out in the end.

    If it didn't matter why would guys even bother stealing?
    If the advantage of taking the given base increases you chances of winning by X %, your chance of winning by having the pitcher being concerned about the baserunner is greater than that.

    The pitcher ignores the baserunner as it increases his chance of winning the game.

    The runner takes the free because it increases his chance of winning.

    If the runner saw that the pitcher was trying to prevent him from stealing, he'd never try, because that would decrease his chances. Much better to have the pitcher concerned.

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    Re: 7/12/13 - Reds @ Bravos

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I'm torn, the run is meaningless. But what about the one iota possibility that giving up the force at 2nd will matter.

    I'd just call all things even, and call them all stolen bases and assume it all evens out in the end.

    If it didn't matter why would guys even bother stealing?
    That goes into the thinking. But most teams value playing the defenders where they want them, over trying to stop the stolen base. Defending against the stolen base means 3/4 of the infield is set up differently.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

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    Re: 7/12/13 - Reds @ Bravos

    Management certainly likes things the way they are in regards to DI. A player going into contract negotiations with 19 steals rather than 20 makes a difference monetarily.


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