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    Re: Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

    Quote Originally Posted by VR View Post
    It's time to replace Jacoby.
    I'll assume this was retro 2010

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    Re: Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    [(H + BB + HBP - CS - GIDP) times (Total bases + .26[BB - IBB + HBP] + .52[SH + SF + SB])] divided by (AB + BB + HBP + SH+ SF)


    This is how runs are created.

    If the Reds had a team obp of 1.000 they would score an infinite number of runs. However, they'd never win a game because they would still be hitting in the top of the first of the first game of the season.
    Didn't Matt Damon solve that equation in Good Will Hunting?

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    Re: Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    But the rest of the team that didn't get hit all game was just a smack in the kisser?
    Frustrating game all around. Reds had a great chance to sweep.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironman92 View Post
    I'll assume this was retro 2010
    I think that speaks volumes.
    Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand

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    Re: Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    I'm not sure you have a complete understanding of baseball. Votto's job is to help create runs.

    Walks are good with runners in scoring position. It might explain why the hitter hitting behind leads the NL in RBI's. After all basebal is a team game.
    Changing the subject doesn't give him any more RBI's than the disappointing 44 through 100 games the $20M/#3 hole hitter has to this day. Some situatons call for expanding the strikezone. Every at-bat in one's life is a different situation and should be approached differently. Edgar Martinez, the best hitter since Joe Dimaggio, was the best at this over the last 50 years. Joey could learn a lot fom him.

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    Re: Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    [(H + BB + HBP - CS - GIDP) times (Total bases + .26[BB - IBB + HBP] + .52[SH + SF + SB])] divided by (AB + BB + HBP + SH+ SF)


    This is how runs are created.

    If the Reds had a team obp of 1.000 they would score an infinite number of runs. However, they'd never win a game because they would still be hitting in the top of the first of the first game of the season.
    That's great if baseball was played in a vaccuum and every situation called for the same approach, but it doesn't. Every situation calls for a different approach. It's what made Larkin the Hall-of-Famer that he was.

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    Re: Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    Edgar Martinez, the best hitter since Joe Dimaggio
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    That's great if baseball was played in a vaccuum and every situation called for the same approach, but it doesn't. Every situation calls for a different approach. It's what made Larkin the Hall-of-Famer that he was.
    If a player could turn on greatness when greatness is needed, why would he turn it off at other times?

    Leave the greatness switch turned on, baby!
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

    Votto had 46 RBI at this point in 2009.

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    Re: Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    The stats back it up.

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    Re: Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Votto had 46 RBI at this point in 2009.
    No, he did not.

    Votto had 65 RBI's through his first 98 games in 2009.

    He has 44 RBI's through his first 98 games in 2013.

    We wouldn't be having this conversation if Votto was doing this year what he had done in 2009.

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    Re: Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    The stats back it up.
    Which stats? The slash line is awesome, I'll give you that. But just in the past two decades alone you have Barry Bonds, Albert Pujols, Frank Thomas, Vladimir Guerrero, Larry Walker, Manny Ramirez, Chipper Jones, Jeff Bagwell, and others with similar lines + more power. And do I even have to mention Stan Musial, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, etc, etc, etc?
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

    Those on steroids are eliminated first and foremost.

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    Re: Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

    Frank Thomas did not sustain his hitting ability. He had five, six good years and then he couldn't sustain it.

    Musial was the same time as Dimaggio (Musial was the greatest hitter who ever played in the Majors). Since Dimaggio.

    Martinez was a better hitter than Mantle and Mays.

    Martinez was much better than Jones.

    When you look at right-handed batters and the disadvantages they had vs a left-handed batter, it's there where Martinez excels as a hitter.

    While most will believe that Mantle and Mays were better than Martinez because of the Homeruns they hit, Martinez won two batting titles as a Right-Handed batter, a near impossible feat in the strong-hitting American League. Martinez would have eaten up earlier decades where pitchers went 9 innings on a regular basis. Martinez ate pitchers up who faced him repeatedly in a game. He made them throw him a pitch that he wanted.
    Last edited by Kingspoint; 07-22-2013 at 05:16 PM.

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    Re: Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

    Hank Aaron and Albert Pujols are both better hitters than Martinez, who I agree is underrated.


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