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    This team has scored 2 runs or less through 108 games, exactly one out of every three times it takes the field.

    22 times 1 run or a shutout.

    It's hard to believe we actually had a debate earlier this season about whether the offense was subpar. Clearly, it has proven to be. Reds are down to 12th in MLB runs scored now and 13th in team OPS.

    Help us, Walt.
    Last edited by BluegrassRedleg; 07-31-2013 at 04:36 AM.
    Rounding third and heading for home...

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    Re: 36 times

    Quote Originally Posted by BluegrassRedleg View Post
    This team has scored 2 runs or less through 108 games, exactly one out of every three times it takes the field.

    22 times 1 run or a shutout.

    It's hard to believe we actually had a debate earlier this season about whether the offense was subpar. Clearly, it has proven to be. Reds are down to 12th in MLB runs scored now and 13th in team OPS.

    Help us, Walt.
    Wouldn't that still make their offense above average?
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    Re: 36 times

    Sure, if your idea of good company going into the season was teams like the Dbacks, Padres, Mets and Mariners.

    The Above Average pennant will look great at GABP.
    Rounding third and heading for home...

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    Re: 36 times

    Quote Originally Posted by BluegrassRedleg View Post
    This team has scored 2 runs or less through 108 games, exactly one out of every three times it takes the field.

    22 times 1 run or a shutout.

    It's hard to believe we actually had a debate earlier this season about whether the offense was subpar. Clearly, it has proven to be. Reds are down to 12th in MLB runs scored now and 13th in team OPS.

    Help us, Walt.
    4th in the NL. Comparing offense team stats to AP teams is unfair.

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    Re: 36 times

    they were 2nd in runs scored, then 3rd in runs scored, now 4th in runs scored...

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    Re: 36 times

    As the Reds don't play inter-team games, don't we have to compare the Reds against the other teams in the division and the league?
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    Re: 36 times

    Hopefully this posts well...

    Code:
    	≥2	≥1	Wins w/ ≥2	Winning Percentage in those games
    Pirates	38	23	9	0.236842105
    Dodgers	35	16	8	0.228571429
    Padres	44	21	9	0.204545455
    Braves 	32	19	6	0.1875
    Brewers	35	22	6	0.171428571
    Marlins	53	30	9	0.169811321
    Giants	42	26	7	0.166666667
    Reds	36	21	6	0.166666667
    Dbacks	33	20	5	0.151515152
    Mets	33	16	5	0.151515152
    Rockies	38	20	5	0.131578947
    Cards	31	14	4	0.129032258
    Cubs	32	14	4	0.125
    Nats	49	29	6	0.12244898
    Phills	34	19	3	0.088235294
    Avg.	37.7	20.7	6.13	0.163
    Last edited by improbus; 07-31-2013 at 07:59 AM.
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    Re: 36 times

    Quote Originally Posted by improbus View Post
    Hopefully this posts well...

    2 or less 1 or less Wins w/ 2 or less runs Winning Percentage when scoring 2 or less
    Pirates 38 23 9 0.236
    Dodgers 35 16 8 0.228
    Padres 44 21 9 0.204
    Braves 32 19 6 0.187
    Brewers 35 22 6 0.171
    Marlins 53 30 9 0.169
    Giants 42 26 7 0.166
    Reds 36 21 6 0.166
    Dbacks 33 20 5 0.151
    Mets 33 16 5 0.151
    Rockies 38 20 5 0.131
    Cardinals 31 14 4 0.129
    Cubs 32 14 4 0.125
    Nats 49 29 6 0.122
    Phillies 34 19 3 0.088
    It didn't...
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    Re: 36 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Red in Chicago View Post
    they were 2nd in runs scored, then 3rd in runs scored, now 4th in runs scored...
    I agree, there's no denying this trend.

    This team is squandering some great pitching right now.

    Bone headed baserunning like Cozart's gaffe last night are maddening to me in an era of baseball where every run seemingly counts more, as less are scored.

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    Re: 36 times

    Code:
    Pirates 38 23 9 .236
    Dodgers 35 16 8 .228
    Padres  44 21 9 .204
    Braves  32 19 6 .187
    Brewers 35 22 6 .171
    Marlins 53 30 9 .169
    Giants  42 26 7 .166
    Reds    36 21 6 .166
    Dbacks  33 20 5 .151
    Mets    33 16 5 .151
    Rockies 38 20 5 .131
    Cards   31 14 4 .129
    Cubs    32 14 4 .125
    Nats    49 29 6 .122
    Phils   34 19 3 .088
    First column = Two runs or less.
    Second column = One run or less.
    Third column = Wins when scoring two runs or less.
    Fourth column = Winning percentage when scoring two runs or less.
    A summer watching a bad Reds' team, is still a pretty good summer.

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    Re: 36 times

    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    Code:
    Pirates 38 23 9 .236
    Dodgers 35 16 8 .228
    Padres  44 21 9 .204
    Braves  32 19 6 .187
    Brewers 35 22 6 .171
    Marlins 53 30 9 .169
    Giants  42 26 7 .166
    Reds    36 21 6 .166
    Dbacks  33 20 5 .151
    Mets    33 16 5 .151
    Rockies 38 20 5 .131
    Cards   31 14 4 .129
    Cubs    32 14 4 .125
    Nats    49 29 6 .122
    Phils   34 19 3 .088
    First column = Two runs or less.
    Second column = One run or less.
    Third column = Wins when scoring two runs or less.
    Fourth column = Winning percentage when scoring two runs or less.
    Thanks, I think I fixed it. Nothing like a little trial and error.
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    Re: 36 times

    Quote Originally Posted by improbus View Post
    Hopefully this posts well...

    Code:
    	≥2	≥1	Wins w/ ≥2	Winning Percentage in those games
    Pirates	38	23	9	0.236842105
    Dodgers	35	16	8	0.228571429
    Padres	44	21	9	0.204545455
    Braves 	32	19	6	0.1875
    Brewers	35	22	6	0.171428571
    Marlins	53	30	9	0.169811321
    Giants	42	26	7	0.166666667
    Reds	36	21	6	0.166666667
    Dbacks	33	20	5	0.151515152
    Mets	33	16	5	0.151515152
    Rockies	38	20	5	0.131578947
    Cards	31	14	4	0.129032258
    Cubs	32	14	4	0.125
    Nats	49	29	6	0.12244898
    Phills	34	19	3	0.088235294
    Avg.	37.7	20.7	6.13	0.163
    I am so glad I'm not a Nats fan. Their fans SHOULD be writing this thread.
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    Re: 36 times

    Quote Originally Posted by improbus View Post
    I am so glad I'm not a Nats fan. Their fans SHOULD be writing this thread.
    I think you have the signs backward. Runs are less than 2. SO 2>=Runs or Runs <=2.
    When people say that I donít know what Iím talking about when it comes to sports or writing, I think: Man, you should see me in the rest of my life.
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    Re: 36 times

    Quote Originally Posted by BluegrassRedleg View Post
    Sure, if your idea of good company going into the season was teams like the Dbacks, Padres, Mets and Mariners.

    The Above Average pennant will look great at GABP.
    Any comparison needs a valid baseline. I don't really see a baseline in the OP.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: 36 times

    Quote Originally Posted by BluegrassRedleg View Post
    This team has scored 2 runs or less through 108 games, exactly one out of every three times it takes the field.

    22 times 1 run or a shutout.

    It's hard to believe we actually had a debate earlier this season about whether the offense was subpar. Clearly, it has proven to be. Reds are down to 12th in MLB runs scored now and 13th in team OPS.

    Help us, Walt.
    And how does that rate of low scoring games compare to other teams? In general? Other teams that score as much as we do in aggregate?

    Sorry, but without context, stuff like this is sort of pointless.

    Form B-R: http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...NL&submitter=1

    - The Reds have low scoring games less than the average NL team
    - The Reds win approximately the same amount their low scoring games as the average NL team

    Code:
    	% of Games			Win%	
    Runs	Reds	NL		Reds	NL
    0	7%	7%		0%	0%
    1	12%	13%		15%	9%
    2	14%	16%		27%	29%
    3	10%	14%		36%	42%
    4	16%	12%		65%	54%
    5	15%	11%		75%	72%
    6	8%	9%		89%	78%
    7	4%	6%		75%	84%
    8	4%	4%		100%	84%
    9	1%	3%		100%	91%
    10	2%	3%		100%	100%
    11	3%	1%		100%	100%
    12	1%	1%		100%	100%
    13	3%	1%		100%	100%
    14	0%	0%		-	100%
    15	1%	0%		100%	100%
    16	0%	0%		-	100%
    Don't get me wrong, 5 runs in 5 games is horrible. But I just don't know what people expect Walt to do. Right now the offense has 2 studs (Votto, Choo), 1 above average guy (Bruce), 2 average guys (Frazier, LF), 2 below average guys (Phillips, Rocco) and 1 black hole of suck (Cozart). With the talent spread like that, you're bound to have some pretty ugly streaks.

    Adding Hunter Pence isn't to fix Cozart or Phillips. The trade options that out there simply don't address our glaring weaknesses. Troy Tulowitski isn't walking through that door.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 07-31-2013 at 12:09 PM.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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