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    Re: GABP upgrades could cost county taxpayers $5 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Gack View Post
    Quitting being a Bengals fans is starting to look better and better each day.
    Bad timing on your part. This team looks really really good.

    And PBS is in need of new video boards big time.

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    Re: GABP upgrades could cost county taxpayers $5 million

    Quote Originally Posted by The Voice of IH View Post
    Is it me, or does this make Great American sound like a dump? I've been there plenty of times this season, it's fine! This just seems like an excuse to waste tax payer money. I want to follow this money and see where it eventually ends up.
    I think the GAB is ok.. but I don't see that stuff they mentioned (carpet, etc)
    However, it was well publicized that John Allen did extensive "value engineering" on parts of the ballpark to reduce the amount of money the Reds had to pay. Looks like some of that stuff is wearing out and needs to be replaced.. Allen/Lindner.. the curse that keeps on giving..
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    Re: GABP upgrades could cost county taxpayers $5 million

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    I think the GAB is ok.. but I don't see that stuff they mentioned (carpet, etc)
    However, it was well publicized that John Allen did extensive "value engineering" on parts of the ballpark to reduce the amount of money the Reds had to pay. Looks like some of that stuff is wearing out and needs to be replaced.. Allen/Lindner.. the curse that keeps on giving..
    The stadium is 11 years old. It's not like the stadium is falling apart.
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    Re: GABP upgrades could cost county taxpayers $5 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    The stadium is 11 years old. It's not like the stadium is falling apart.
    Yep, I agree that overall it's in good shape.
    Still, if a lot of the floors are worn out after 11 years, maybe they didn't use the greatest materials to begin with?
    I understand, this is a commerical setting, but still.. 81 games/year X 11 years .. that means the floors have about 2.5 years of "real life" on them.
    Sure, maybe some parts of the GAB are used on other days, but it seems that they didn't exactly get top of the line stuff.

    Now you are right, some of it is probably normal maintenance.
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    Re: GABP upgrades could cost county taxpayers $5 million

    During the "evacuation" of the grandstand during the Saturday game vs the Pirates a couple weeks ago, my group huddled near the entrance to the press box. Around that area there were quite a few spots where you could see some rusty spots at junctions of the steel superstructure. If you were just breezing through, you wouldn't have noticed. But since we were there the better part of an hour, we noticed. The place is no where near falling apart but there are some cosmetic things that could be done to spruce it up. $5 million for sprucing up an 11 year old building of that nature sounds about right to me. Admittedly, I'm not a Hamilton County resident.
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    Re: GABP upgrades could cost county taxpayers $5 million

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Yep, I agree that overall it's in good shape.
    Still, if a lot of the floors are worn out after 11 years, maybe they didn't use the greatest materials to begin with?
    I understand, this is a commerical setting, but still.. 81 games/year X 11 years .. that means the floors have about 2.5 years of "real life" on them.
    Sure, maybe some parts of the GAB are used on other days, but it seems that they didn't exactly get top of the line stuff.

    Now you are right, some of it is probably normal maintenance.
    How long do things last in your house? Do you have 20K people going through it 81 times a year? Do you ever spruce it up when the relatives are coming over? Are you going to hold an event there in a couple of years that is going to be on national TV for everyone to see?

    As for not using the top of the line stuff, let's say they didn't. They were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. If they used the top of the line stuff, it would have made the cost of the stadium more expensive. So, to give the taxpayers a break, they get some stuff that is not top of the line. Now they have to replace it and that's going to cost some more money. John Allen and Carl Lindner are gone. Let it go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    This is how the Enquirer does the news anymore - give something a sensational bent and watch the fireworks.
    Yeah, shame on the headline.

    EXCLUSIVE: All-Star Game could cost taxpayers $5 million
    Talk about missing the big picture.

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    Re: GABP upgrades could cost county taxpayers $5 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I have no problem with $5 mill for GABP. First of all that sounds like very little maintenance/upkeep over the next two yrs for a facility that's a dozen yrs old. Considering the impact of the All Star game it's a huge win/win.

    The Bengals are a different story. They are working off of a sweetheart lease that our county gov't never should have agreed to. And now to make matters more shady, the Bengals now employ the guy who negotiated that lease with the team. Isn't there some law that prevents that? I guess not but he knows every clause in that lease and can alert Mike Brown what he can do to take advantage of it. I was thrilled when the taxpayers agreed to build a new stadium for the Bengals and keep them in town but I hated the way the county spent that money. They let Mike Brown take them to the cleaners and I said so at the time. Bedinghaus came across as an idiot so the voters rightly removed him but now he's working for the other side. It doesn't smell right but the bottomline is the taxpayers are screwed
    I think someone could probably have raised a stink about the potential for fraud when the deal was signed or shortly thereafter.

    However, my guess is Mike Brown was alerting Bedinghaus to every clause in the contract before the county signed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Allen/Lindner.. the curse that keeps on giving..
    On the baseball side, if nothing else he kept the team in town and under local ownership, laid some of the groundwork for the team's current success and made a great choice in selling to Castellini.

    I get that you don't like Mr. Lindner since you've taken the opportunity to trash him here dozens of times over the years (sometimes mild, sometimes nasty). I just wish you would consider that many of us here in Cincinnati loved the man. Aside from my own father, there is no one in this world I have ever admired more. I doubt anyone in the last fifty years did more for the city of Cincinnati. So maybe out of respect for the man, for those of us who loved him and for everything he did for this town, you could cut him some slack and quit running him down at every opportunity. I know I would appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terminator View Post
    On the baseball side, if nothing else he kept the team in town and under local ownership, laid some of the groundwork for the team's current success and made a great choice in selling to Castellini.

    I get that you don't like Mr. Lindner since you've taken the opportunity to trash him here dozens of times over the years (sometimes mild, sometimes nasty). I just wish you would consider that many of us here in Cincinnati loved the man. Aside from my own father, there is no one in this world I have ever admired more. I doubt anyone in the last fifty years did more for the city of Cincinnati. So maybe out of respect for the man, for those of us who loved him and for everything he did for this town, you could cut him some slack and quit running him down at every opportunity. I know I would appreciate it.
    I'd say you're probably taking REDREAD's comments too personally. Now granted I can't offhand recall everything he has said about Lindner, but I don't recall him disparaging Lindner as a person or a citizen, just as the owner of the Reds. And I'm sorry if it offends you, but it's awfully hard to find anybody who thinks the Lindner ownership of the Cincinnati Reds was anything short of bad.

    Now as for REDREAD's John Allen, that's another story.
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    Re: GABP upgrades could cost county taxpayers $5 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan View Post
    Bad timing on your part. This team looks really really good.

    And PBS is in need of new video boards big time.
    I quit in the midst of their good run. How anyone can root for a team owned by Mikey is beyond me. But that's for a different discussion.

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    Re: GABP upgrades could cost county taxpayers $5 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    That's $2 million LESS than Jonathan Broxton makes all season.

    Sounds like a bargain for Hamilton County if you ask me.
    For Hamilton County, not the taxpayers who will be footing the $5 million dollars. They won't see a penny of it back.

    Why does the ballpark need a $5 million upgrade anyway? It's not like it's a dump. It's a beautiful park just the way it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamBoone View Post
    For Hamilton County, not the taxpayers who will be footing the $5 million dollars. They won't see a penny of it back.

    Why does the ballpark need a $5 million upgrade anyway? It's not like it's a dump. It's a beautiful park just the way it is.
    If the county I lived in said we are going to spend a couple million in hopes of bringing in more than that in revenue on a pretty safe investment, I'd be cool with it.

    That's all it is, an investment to bring a top-line attraction to town. And without Mr. Millionaire's stadium, that attraction isn't coming.

    And sure, most renovations would have probably had to be done anyway at some point, but when the ASG is considering Cincy, one of the conditions is a tip-top stadium in 2015. So bargains are made.

    Is it an ideal thing, using taxpayer money, nah. But overall it's a net win for the county, it's residents, and it's bottom line.

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    Re: GABP upgrades could cost county taxpayers $5 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Red View Post
    I think someone could probably have raised a stink about the potential for fraud when the deal was signed or shortly thereafter.

    However, my guess is Mike Brown was alerting Bedinghaus to every clause in the contract before the county signed it.
    I know I was at the time. I was telling people in the last century things like "you mean to tell me that in the last 10 years of this lease we'll be paying the Bengals to play here?" It sounds nuts at the time and I'm dunbfounded that our gov't agreed to such a thing

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    Re: GABP upgrades could cost county taxpayers $5 million

    The more I think about it, $5 million is absolutely nothing compared to the revenue that is now flowing through the streets of Cincinnati due to the Reds. Walk out the front door of GABP and look at the Banks. That is a hotbed of city revenue. If not for the Reds, that is just a parking lot. Are they 100% responsible for the resurgence? No. But they certainly had a hand in it.

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