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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Votto's biggest problem is that he doesn't have Votto hitting in front of him

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Votto has clearly been one of the best 10 position players in the NL this year, and probably top 5. I would love to see Votto get back to producing a little more power, and being in the top 1-2, but this version of Votto is still pretty damn good, and clearly not the problem.

    I guess if you replace Votto this year with MVP Votto, you may only be 3 games back. Would that make folks happy?

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by puca View Post
    Votto's biggest problem is that he doesn't have Votto hitting in front of him
    And behind him.

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by NebraskaRed View Post
    Ah yes, the best player on your team is clearly the problem.
    I never heard Marty say that.

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by PTjvs View Post
    Votto has clearly been one of the best 10 position players in the NL this year, and probably top 5. I would love to see Votto get back to producing a little more power, and being in the top 1-2, but this version of Votto is still pretty damn good, and clearly not the problem.

    I guess if you replace Votto this year with MVP Votto, you may only be 3 games back. Would that make folks happy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Gack View Post
    I never heard Marty say that.
    Well, that's the basis of this thread.
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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by puca View Post
    Votto's biggest problem is that he doesn't have Votto hitting in front of him
    That's pretty much dead on. Votto is the master of the two out, bases empty, opposite field single. One thing that has frustrated me about Votto since the knee injury is his (over)willingness to flip a soft liner opposite field. Don't get me wrong -- having a guy on base is never a bad thing -- but I think his picky-ness at the plate can be counterproductive to the lineup as a whole at times. He's at 0-2 before you can blink. Once he goes 0-2 he chokes up and just looks to put something in play. I would like to see him start driving the ball early in the count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith3t5 View Post
    That's pretty much dead on. Votto is the master of the two out, bases empty, opposite field single. One thing that has frustrated me about Votto since the knee injury is his (over)willingness to flip a soft liner opposite field. Don't get me wrong -- having a guy on base is never a bad thing -- but I think his picky-ness at the plate can be counterproductive to the lineup as a whole at times. He's at 0-2 before you can blink. Once he goes 0-2 he chokes up and just looks to put something in play. I would like to see him start driving the ball early in the count.
    To be honest, I have a hard time finding counts where Votto is appreciably worse than the league this year:

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    Split            PA sOPS+
    First Pitch      53   198
    1-0 Count        29   184
    2-0 Count        13   232
    3-0 Count        26   164
    0-1 Count        25   195
    1-1 Count        25   120
    2-1 Count        27   164
    3-1 Count        44   144
    0-2 Count        34   105
    1-2 Count        58    79
    2-2 Count        64    95
    Full Count       85   102
    After 1-0       233   160
    After 2-0       103   173
    After 3-0        44   163
    After 0-1       197   129
    After 1-1       206   110
    After 2-1       143   144
    After 3-1        78   124
    After 0-2        67   141
    After 1-2       117    90
    After 2-2       115   104
    Zero Balls      112   187
    Zero Strikes    121   203
    Three Balls     155   132
    Two Strikes     241   108
    Batter Ahead    224   158
    Even Count      142   147
    Pitcher Ahead   117   115
    OK, he turns into Zach Cozart in a 1-2 count.
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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    I'm not saying he is bad in any way at all. I'm just saying that with two on and one out he needs to look for something early in the count that he can tag.

    Call me crazy, and I'm just being theoretical here, but if Ludwick shows any promise when he comes back I would bat Votto in the two hole for a few games with Ludwick at 3, Phillips 4, etc, just to see how it pans out.

    Again, I am not saying Votto isn't a huge asset to the team. Unquestionably the best talent we have as an everyday player. I would just like to see better power/RBI's coming out of a guy we're paying $220 m over the next 10 or so years. I get that the loss of Ludwick clearly affects that production, but if Ludwick can drive the ball once he comes back (questionable with his age and the injury) I think it would be interesting to test Votto in the 2 hole when we play a team like the Astros in August.
    Last edited by smith3t5; 07-31-2013 at 08:57 PM. Reason: adding to point

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by markymark69 View Post
    Calling out may be a little strong. I heard the interview, Marty stated the obvious, that Votto is pace for 70-80 RBI's and "that is not going to get it done."

    He thinks Votto got caught up in OBP and stated how that Miguel Cabrera expands his strike zone and will swing at a pitch a inch or two outside while Votto will take it.
    Marty makes the same criticism of Votto that idiotic Boston sportswriters made of Ted Williams decades ago, advocating that the best hitter on the team swing at pitches outside the strike zone. Those Boston sportswriters were ignorant then and Marty is ignorant now.
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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    He should be more critical of him for the old Olay snags he tries to make.....on routine balls hit right at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GotHeeeeem View Post
    He should be more critical of him for the old Olay snags he tries to make.....on routine balls hit right at him.
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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    without a dangerous hitter behind him I believe the best spot for Joey is #2 behind Choo where they will still pitch around him and they'd both be on base a lot and then Phillips and Bruce would have a lot of no out or 1 out chances to pick up a man or two men. Without protection he becomes a terrific on base machine. With protection watch him start driving the ball because he'd get better pitches to hit.

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