Marty calling out Votto

[bob jones]

Deron Johnson was once a yankee bonus baby

[Raisor]

So who are the gods of RedsZone?

I see you.

[westofyou]

Deron Johnson was once a yankee bonus baby

Yep and Bobby Cox was once the 3rd sacker of the future for them too

[bob jones]

yes Booby Cox Jerry Kenney Jake Gibbs and Horace Clarke were almost dynastic

[Raisor]

I'm curious why you keep ignoring:

Joey Votto 7th in the NL in slugging percentage (tied with David Wright)

[Raisor]

Naps are good too

[Larkin Fan]

Someone obviously needs some deep breathing exercise training and a benzodiazepine... Yikes.

[RedlegJake]

Let it go. It's over.

[RedlegJake]

yes Booby Cox Jerry Kenney Jake Gibbs and Horace Clarke were almost dynastic

And "superstars" Tom Tresh, Bobby Murcer and Roger Repoz. Boy when that early 60s team crashed in 65 they did it HARD.

[KronoRed]

Nah, pretty sure the ridiculous frustration stems from Reds fans thinking way too highly of RBI, but thanks for chiming in. A .950 OPS over a season is prolific, as westofyou said, it has happened 13 times in the history of the oldest professional franchise in baseball history.

The Reds aren't the oldest franchise, but I like your point.

[Raisor]

The Reds aren't the oldest franchise, but I like your point.

Dude you're going to blow someone's mind.

[reds1869]

The Reds aren't the oldest franchise, but I like your point.

Shhh....I might have to change my screen name if the secret gets out.

[klw]

So over on Fangraphs there is a stat called "Clutch." I have no idea what it is or how it is computed. Based on the name, I would assume it is supposed to be a measure of how clutch a hitter is. This is the Fangraphs definition :

Clutch - How much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...=0&sort=12%2cd

I put in a minimum of 100 PA to limit the numbers a little bit and there are 136 players that met that criteria in the NL. Of those Joey Votto sits at #127 and Cozart at 135. I have no idea what this means. Is anyone here familiar enough with the stat to provide an explanation?

#	Name	        Team	         WPA	-WPA	+WPA	RE24	REW	pLI	phLI	PH	WPA/LI	Clutch
1	Adrian Gonzalez	Dodgers	         3.34	-6.71	10.05	26.98	2.91	0.98	1.04	2	1.62	1.80
2	Ryan Zimmerman	Nationals	 2.73	-5.96	8.69	19.05	2.12	0.94	0.39	1	1.34	1.56
3	Travis Snider	Pirates	         1.01	-4.55	5.56	1.73	0.23	1.06	1.61	31	-0.50	1.45
4	Marcell Ozuna	Marlins	         1.15	-5.78	6.93	4.87	0.63	1.19	5.35	1	-0.42	1.39
5	Jesus Guzman	Padres	         1.28	-3.95	5.23	3.50	0.38	1.05	1.07	40	0.06	1.15
6	Freddie Freeman	Braves	         3.73	-6.72	10.45	39.86	4.30	1.03	 	0	2.55	1.09
7	Evan Gattis	Braves	         2.05	-4.59	6.63	8.45	0.93	1.13	2.53	10	0.73	1.08
8	Kyle Blanks	Padres	         1.78	-4.02	5.79	15.07	1.60	1.10	1.74	7	0.59	1.03
9	Kevin Frandsen	Phillies	 1.31	-2.73	4.04	4.51	0.49	1.17	1.58	44	0.11	1.00
10	Yadier Molina	Cardinals	 2.30	-5.61	7.91	24.37	2.56	0.94	1.38	4	1.51	0.94
11	Cody Ross	Diamondbacks	 0.66	-6.28	6.94	-5.23	-0.51	1.09	1.53	13	-0.30	0.91
12	Jason Kubel	Diamondbacks	-0.16	-4.61	4.45	-5.80	-0.60	1.09	1.36	16	-1.05	0.90
13	Dexter Fowler	Rockies	         1.30	-7.10	8.40	-1.54	-0.06	0.99	1.57	3	0.43	0.88
14	Brandon Phillips Reds	         1.55	-8.39	9.94	16.09	1.80	1.10	 	0	0.58	0.83

125	Pedro Alvarez	Pirates	         0.54	-8.92	9.46	5.30	0.59	1.15	0.33	2	1.61	-1.15
126	Lucas Duda	Mets	        -0.50	-4.94	4.44	1.46	0.15	1.11	0.71	3	0.75	-1.20
127	Joey Votto	Reds	         2.96	-7.47	10.42	36.61	3.96	1.02	1.32	1	4.12	-1.22
128	Carlos Gonzalez	Rockies	         0.77	-7.95	8.72	11.80	1.21	0.99	3.13	2	2.03	-1.25
129	Garrett Jones	Pirates	        -0.53	-6.37	5.84	1.50	0.17	1.03	1.27	17	0.86	-1.37
130	Jayson Werth	Nationals	 0.31	-5.65	5.97	13.04	1.43	1.01	1.94	1	1.75	-1.44
131	Will Venable	Padres	        -0.56	-5.33	4.78	2.35	0.28	0.89	0.73	7	0.91	-1.54
132	Hunter Pence	Giants	        -0.01	-9.00	8.98	9.43	1.19	1.09	 	0	1.59	-1.60
133	Chris Johnson	Braves	        -0.66	-6.37	5.72	10.53	1.11	0.95	0.52	5	1.23	-1.93
134	Chase Headley	Padres	        -1.34	-7.41	6.07	-5.40	-0.50	0.98	 	0	0.56	-1.93
135	Zack Cozart	Reds	        -2.11	-7.78	5.67	-20.14	-2.15	0.97	0.69	2	-0.16	-2.02
136	Rickie Weeks	Brewers	        -3.31	-8.33	5.02	-23.03	-2.40	0.99	0.93	10	-1.27	-2.06

Now since 2007 there are 509 MLB players with at least 1000 PA and Votto has the 15th highest Clutch number- again whatever that means.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...rs=0&sort=12,d

#	Name	        Team	         WPA	-WPA	+WPA	RE24	REW	pLI	phLI	PH	WPA/LI	Clutch
1	Willie Bloomquist	- - -	-0.19	-42.98	42.79	-50.60	-4.93	1.02	1.20	77	-6.19	6.00
2	Yadier Molina	Cardinals	 5.95	-70.54	76.49	32.12	3.76	0.97	2.02	24	1.12	5.04
3	Russell Martin	- - -	         7.57	-68.97	76.53	45.04	4.48	1.02	1.59	41	2.69	4.73
4	Bobby Abreu	- - -	        20.04	-78.92	98.96	220.03	22.13	0.99	1.72	66	15.69	4.59
5	A.J. Pierzynski	- - -	        -3.04	-82.68	79.64	-54.05	-5.43	1.01	2.17	80	-7.55	4.55
6	Pedro Feliz	- - -	        -3.57	-62.09	58.51	-59.07	-6.20	1.02	1.23	64	-7.86	4.35
7	Ryan Howard	Phillies	28.78	-84.17	112.94	275.10	28.01	1.04	1.82	35	23.24	4.32
8	Marcus Giles	- - -	         4.58	-28.38	32.96	15.98	1.45	0.97	1.13	15	0.43	4.30
9	Brian Roberts	Orioles	         7.88	-69.79	77.67	74.27	7.35	1.02	1.75	18	3.41	4.28
10	Asdrubal Cabrera Indians	 5.00	-55.92	60.93	34.10	3.46	1.00	1.10	13	0.83	4.17
11	Stephen Drew	- - -	         4.18	-63.28	67.46	20.79	2.29	1.00	1.43	29	0.41	3.77
12	Jimmy Rollins	Phillies	 7.93	-97.90	105.83	100.72	10.34	0.98	1.90	25	4.41	3.67
13	Jay Payton	- - -	         0.27	-34.18	34.45	-18.94	-1.60	1.01	1.45	49	-3.38	3.65
14	Adrian Gonzalez	- - -	        27.75	-86.17	113.92	291.22	30.52	1.00	1.40	11	24.06	3.59
15	Joey Votto	Reds	        31.30	-51.98	83.28	305.01	31.85	1.00	1.43	22	27.69	3.54
16	Albert Pujols	- - -	        46.89	-86.24	133.12	461.79	46.82	0.99	2.24	21	43.98	3.52
17	Michael Bourn	- - -	         3.91	-61.23	65.14	41.45	4.38	0.99	1.05	38	0.61	3.34
18	Aramis Ramirez	- - -	        23.72	-82.44	106.17	214.37	21.00	1.05	2.26	29	19.38	3.31

[bmwreds31]

dude quit posting relevant stats. Votto is 7th in slugging.

[Puffy]

dude quit posting relevant stats. Votto is 7th in slugging.

Wait, are you really claiming that having the NL's 2nd best OPS and 7th best slugging is not relevant??

Really?