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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by bmwreds31 View Post
    hahaha i like this one. Barry bonds also use to....lol

    You guys can act all you want like your the gods of knowledge when it comes to baseball. But marty who has more experience than any of us and he agrees with me.

    Ive also not stated anything was facts. Ive stated my opinion. My opinion is officially what i stated before. Votto is a great hitter. Hes just changed his approach drastically this year. And i dont particularly like it or agree with it. In terms of what would benefit this team the most.

    Im not saying he sucks. And neither was marty.
    Marty didn't play baseball more than I did. He certainly didn't play baseball more than some other guys on here who played in the minors and in college.

    Marty is an experienced broadcaster. He has never worked on the baseball side of things. He has never coached. He never played the game for money. He never worked as a scout or in a front office. He is no more qualified as some sort of baseball expert than I am, or you are.

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by bmwreds31 View Post
    hahaha i like this one. Barry bonds also use to....lol

    You guys can act all you want like your the gods of knowledge when it comes to baseball. But marty who has more experience than any of us and he agrees with me.

    Ive also not stated anything was facts. Ive stated my opinion. My opinion is officially what i stated before. Votto is a great hitter. Hes just changed his approach drastically this year. And i dont particularly like it or agree with it. In terms of what would benefit this team the most.

    Im not saying he sucks. And neither was marty.
    - makes claim

    - asks others to look up stats because he is lazy

    - proven wrong

    - says people that looked up stats he asked for are acting like "gods of knowledge" and he is right even though he was proven wrong immediately.

    Ok, makes sense...

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by bmwreds31 View Post
    hahaha i like this one. Barry bonds also use to....lol
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    Fact is Bonds knew how to hit and was Hall Of Fame caliber, no matter if he was enhanced or not.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    - makes claim

    - asks others to look up stats because he is lazy

    - proven wrong

    - says people that looked up stats he asked for are acting like "gods of knowledge" and he is right even though he was proven wrong immediately.

    Ok, makes sense...
    ok...
    i dont feed trolls very often so not really going to start now. Grats on looking up a stat.

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by CySeymour View Post
    Fact is Bonds knew how to hit and was Hall Of Fame caliber, no matter if he was enhanced or not.
    well i agree with you. However i dont believe too many would argue that bonds could clearly still jack one with ease choked up. And Votto has Warning track power when he is choked up.

    Votto never pulls the ball anymore. Almost all of his homers are to left field.

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Marty didn't play baseball more than I did. He certainly didn't play baseball more than some other guys on here who played in the minors and in college.

    Marty is an experienced broadcaster. He has never worked on the baseball side of things. He has never coached. He never played the game for money. He never worked as a scout or in a front office. He is no more qualified as some sort of baseball expert than I am, or you are.
    Sorry but ill have to disagree. I wouldnt call him some baseball expert.

    However at the same time. Im not sure who you really call a baseball expert. If you gathered every head coach from the majors that coached for more than 15yrs. They all would make different calls, and have different opinions on players.

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by bmwreds31 View Post
    ok...
    i dont feed trolls very often so not really going to start now. Grats on looking up a stat.
    You said you were lazy to look up the stats and asked others to do so.

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by bmwreds31 View Post
    Sorry but ill have to disagree. I wouldnt call him some baseball expert.

    However at the same time. Im not sure who you really call a baseball expert. If you gathered every head coach from the majors that coached for more than 15yrs. They all would make different calls, and have different opinions on players.
    Why is Marty's opinion better than mine? Because he has watched more baseball?

    Marty has watched more baseball than Joey Votto has. Who is a better expert on hitting?

    Who I would call a baseball expert is a tough question. I think Joe Morgan would be a great guy to teach someone the mechanics of the game. How to hit. How to steal. How to field. I wouldn't want Joe Morgan managing a team or telling someone about the value of a player because he is clueless when it comes to things like that. He is an expert in one field and pretty darn poor at another.

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by bmwreds31 View Post

    Votto never pulls the ball anymore. Almost all of his homers are to left field.
    Joey Votto hasn't pulled the ball with any kind of frequency since he was a teenager.

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Joey Votto hasn't pulled the ball with any kind of frequency since he was a teenager.

    He pulled the ball more his MVP season. And struck out less.

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by bmwreds31 View Post
    How about this, name a playoff team this year that their 3 and 4 hole hitters have less than us. Im too lazy to look it up but im doubting it.
    I'll play this game. Reds have 30 (Votto 17, BP 13). Here are what some playoff teams are trotting out in their 3 and 4 holes this evening.

    Atlanta Braves 29

    Freddie Freeman 13
    Brian McCann 16

    Oakland Athletics 25

    Jed Lowrie 8
    Yoenis Cespedes 17

    Tampa Bay Rays 29

    Evan Longoria 21
    Wil Myers 8

    Boston Red Sox 29

    Dustin Pedroia 8
    David Ortiz 21



    LA Dodgers 26

    Adrian Gonzalez 15
    Yasiel Puig 11

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Still....7th in the NL in slugging percentage.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    Still....7th in the NL in slugging percentage.
    Stop using them there advanced SABER statistics...

    *dripping sarcasm*

    In all seriousness, this discussion wouldn't be happening if the SS, LF, C, and yes even the 2B would actually pull their weight in the box.

    Joey Votto is not the issue, nor is his HR total.

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    Actually, Votto's stats with 2 strikes in this year are worse than those in 2012.

    `12: .256 .394 .390 .784
    `13: .186 .300 .238 .538
    I guess it was last year's stats that were impressive. I don't know if it is a change in approach or not. It does seem like with two strikes that Votto has a lot of defensive swings this year where he looks like he is just trying to foul it off.

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    Re: Marty calling out Votto

    Joey now second in the NL in Ops (.951). However, he did fall to 8th in SLG (.512) behind David Wright's .512.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."


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