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Thread: Official waiver trade deadline thread (Sept. 30)

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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

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    Shocked to read this little part of mlbtraderumors..
    The Dodgers signed Edinson Volquez shortly after he was cut loose by the Padres, but there were plenty of other suitors. The pitcher says that he chose L.A. over the Reds, Rays, Orioles, Phillies, and "a couple more" teams, tweets Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times. Volquez added that he's willing to start or relieve for the Dodgers.
    That doesn't surprise me at all. I half expected him to be brought back when I read San Diego cut him.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Name recognition is pretty powerful, but the Pirates really aren't getting a big upgrade here.
    "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

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    Pirate fans are bursting at the seems with excitement. Neil Huntington has energized his already energized fanbase.
    Twins fans are even more excited, and they probably have no idea who Alex Presley is.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    It's kind of weird to think how much of this season hinges/hinged on the health and production of Ludwick. And how bad this organization's farm system is.
    For years you complained that the Reds held unto their prospects instead of turning them into immediate help.

    Then when they trade some upside prospects for immediate pitching help like Latos and Marshall, thereby weakening their farm system, all you do is complain about the farm system.

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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    Name recognition is pretty powerful, but the Pirates really aren't getting a big upgrade here.
    Morneau isn't an upgrade over who? Gaby Sanchez, Travis Snider, Brandon Inge, Alex Presley, Josh Harrison? Those are the types of guys he'll take PA away from. He's a major upgrade over all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    Morneau isn't an upgrade over who? Gaby Sanchez, Travis Snider, Brandon Inge, Alex Presley, Josh Harrison? Those are the types of guys he'll take PA away from. He's a major upgrade over all of them.
    Pirates first baseman this year: .260/.336/.432 (117 OPS+)
    Justin Morneau this year: .259/.315/.426 (102 OPS+)

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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    Morneau isn't an upgrade over who? Gaby Sanchez, Travis Snider, Brandon Inge, Alex Presley, Josh Harrison? Those are the types of guys he'll take PA away from. He's a major upgrade over all of them.
    He's a first basemen with a .315 OBP. That and "major upgrade" don't compute.

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    The next 28 games are what matter. Quote all the OPS+ and OB% you want. As the 3rd or 4th hottest slugging player in MLB over the past month He improves their chances at winning games down the stretch vs. the players that would otherwise get those chances. Hands down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    The next 28 games are what matter. Quote all the OPS+ and OB% you want. As the 3rd or 4th hottest slugging player in MLB over the past month He improves their chances at winning games down the stretch vs. the players that would otherwise get those chances. Hands down.
    So you are just ignoring edabbs' post about having a .790 OPS in last 28 days, and even worse in 2nd half?

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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    So you are just ignoring edabbs' post about having a .790 OPS in last 28 days, and even worse in 2nd half?
    9 HRs in the last 28 games. Not ignoring that. Are you?
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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    The next 28 games are what matter. Quote all the OPS+ and OB% you want. As the 3rd or 4th hottest slugging player in MLB over the past month He improves their chances at winning games down the stretch vs. the players that would otherwise get those chances. Hands down.
    You can change the criteria all you want but it still isn't true.

    Morneau is 26th in the majors in SLG in August for players with min 75 PAs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    9 HRs in the last 28 games. Not ignoring that. Are you?
    I didn't realize that homeruns were the only way to accumulate runs.

    Morneau has been a substandard 1st basemen 3 years running, hasn't had a particularly good year, and homeruns aside, hasn't had a particularly good month.

    I'm just not seeing the spin you are. He's been roughly less valuable than Cozart has been this year. Think about that for a moment. Can you imagine the reaction if the Reds "upgraded" a position to get to Zack Cozart level production? Jocketty wouldn't get out of the city in a bodybag.

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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    More on the subject of Morneau, he literally has 30 points of OPS on Cozart post all star break.

    I guess that makes Cozart, what, the 5th or 6th hottest slugger in baseball at the moment?

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    2 outs bottom of the ninth, the division on the line. A HR is a great way to accumulate a run. This is a chess match, late inning threat upgrade, not a starting player upgrade. Maybe that's why we're not seeing eye to eye.
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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    2 outs bottom of the ninth, the division on the line. A HR is a great way to accumulate a run. This is a chess match, late inning threat upgrade, not a starting player upgrade. Maybe that's why we're not seeing eye to eye.
    You're thinking of hypothetical possibilities of what he could do, instead of looking at what he actually has done all year, second half, or even the last 30 days.


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