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Thread: Official waiver trade deadline thread (Sept. 30)

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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    One sixth of $14 Million equals $2.3333 Million. I'm guessing that's too much for this team. I'm not sure Morneau can play OF though.

    The Reds have passed on a few guys (Downs, Byrd, Dejesus, Morneau, Thornton, etc.) All are clearly upgrades vs. players on the roster. I just think money has to be the reason for turning down an upgrade that won't cost anything crippling talentwise. Passing on Dejesus was the worst move IMO.
    I think the two plus million is a small fraction of the Reds' payroll. And even if Morneau is too rich for them, it's hard for me to see that the Reds couldn't afford a single player at one sixth his salary.

    Team made no MLB acquisitions all season, zero. The closest is Zach Duke who has risen from the minor leagues.

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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Team made no MLB acquisitions all season, zero.
    Have the Cards done more than acquire Axford?
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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Team made no MLB acquisitions all season, zero. The closest is Zach Duke who has risen from the minor leagues.
    It is very bizarre.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    Latos Deal > (All these midseason Pirates deals)^2
    Or ^1.8 depending on which Pythagorean you prefer
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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    Except the stats show that it isn't.

    The Pirates' OPS at first base this year has been better as a whole than Morneau's production.
    Did you not bother to read the other stats posted?

    Entering the day, Pirates left-handed hitters had a .229 batting average, .296 on-base percentage and .694 OPS. The former two ranked worst in the majors. The latter ranked seventh-worst.

    Morneau is a particularly potent bat against right-handed pitching, with a .281/.343/.488 slashline.

    He also provides slightly better defense at first base than the Pirates had been getting. He has four Defensive Runs Saved this season. The Pirates first basemen have combined for -3 Defensive Runs Saved.
    They needed a lefty. They got one. Then needed to improve the D at first. They did that. Is he going to replace ALL of the 1B production? No, but they're not planning on him doing so either.
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    Let me chime in here for just a sec. I love these moves. Dilson Herrera is a solid prospect, who I didn't like losing, but all in all, there is little risk in these deals from the Pirates' perspective.

    I think that Byrd upgrades right field, which was a black hole for the Bucs. Buck provides insurance in case Martin gets injured. Pirates needed a back up catcher with McKenry going down.

    As for Morneau, I agree, in terms of stats, he doesn't provide much of an upgrade. But, what he does do is rake against right handers. If he can be the left hand side of a platoon with Gaby Sanchez, who has been mashing lefties, and push Garret Jones into a platoon with Bryd in right field, it's a net upgrade at both positions.

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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    Did you not bother to read the other stats posted?



    They needed a lefty. They got one. Then needed to improve the D at first. They did that. Is he going to replace ALL of the 1B production? No, but they're not planning on him doing so either.
    Those two slash lines in the last quote aren't the same, anyway we could see apples to apples?

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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    Did you not bother to read the other stats posted?



    They needed a lefty. They got one. Then needed to improve the D at first. They did that. Is he going to replace ALL of the 1B production? No, but they're not planning on him doing so either.
    The production the Pirates have gotten from their first basemen (all of them combined) is a better OPS than Morneau.

    If Morneau is coming to be a starter, it is not an upgrade because his overall production will be no better than the platoon they already have in place. If he's coming to be a part-time platoon player, than it is only a very moderate upgrade.
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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    The production the Pirates have gotten from their first basemen (all of them combined) is a better OPS than Morneau.

    If Morneau is coming to be a starter, it is not an upgrade because his overall production will be no better than the platoon they already have in place. If he's coming to be a part-time platoon player, than it is only a very moderate upgrade.
    I'm trying to say it's not a 1 player replacing 1 player situation. He's going to play 1st most likely, yes. But they're not going to just bench Jones.

    Read IABucFan's post. His explains it better IMO. He fills 2 voids (hitting against RHP and 1b defense) and forces a player to move to another position which improves THAT position too.
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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    I'm trying to say it's not a 1 player replacing 1 player situation. He's going to play 1st most likely, yes. But they're not going to just bench Jones.

    Read IABucFan's post. His explains it better IMO. He fills 2 voids (hitting against RHP and 1b defense) and forces a player to move to another position which improves THAT position too.
    I did read and like I said a couple of times, if he's coming to be the starter at first base, he isn't filling a void because his overall numbers are no better than what they already have playing the position as a whole.

    It's no more than a very, very smallish upgrade.
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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    That's really all that needs said. Thanks for posting, Doug.
    You guys are Missing the point entirely. Should I even try to explain it again?

    Here goes. ..

    A roster improvement in Sept doesn't have to be a ss to replace Izturis, doesn't have to be a 1b that plays in place of Jones or Sanchez. The rosters expand and your bench can get better for the late inning matchups. Byrd vs. Lhp, Morneau vs Rhp. Like the guy above said about Magic cards, he was in jest, but he gets it. You supply your deck with the right cards to win the little battles. Thus giving you a better chance at the major battle. The games within the game per se. Dusty doesn't have as good of cards as Hurdle now has. Becasue Huntington made these minor nearly costless moves. Walt didn't.

    But you all keep quoting yearly stats and whatever else makes you happy. Ignoring the splits, ignoring the situational advantages. You guys should play simulation baseball against another human. Maybe you would see these little advantages matter.
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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    You also have to pay the salary for amonth. I'm honestly not sure if they can do that the way jock has operated since od. Not saying that's right or wrong but appears to be a strong consideration after stretching payroll for choo and ludwick.

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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    I did read and like I said a couple of times, if he's coming to be the starter at first base, he isn't filling a void because his overall numbers are no better than what they already have playing the position as a whole.

    It's no more than a very, very smallish upgrade.
    Defensive void. Void against right handed pitchers. Overall, we agree...small upgrade if any. But I don't think he'll be the full-time starter.
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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Dodgers acquire Michael Young.

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    Re: Official waiver trade deadline thread (August 31)

    Quote Originally Posted by sdwagers View Post
    Dodgers acquire Michael Young.
    Now that's a guy I wouldn't have minded seeing Walt go after. Especially with the struggles of Todd this year.
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