Larkin Fan (08-07-2013)
If my father were to die I would certainly be depressed, that does not mean I would be clinically depressed. Of course you can have a heart, and as I said I understood where you were coming from and can even see it as a possibility. I just meant I could see the Votto trolls seeing that and being all "he is thinking of his dad, he is soft, he is a headcase!" which has happened before.
I dislike when people tell others not to express what is on their mind though, so I apologize. I should not have done that. Hopefully you are back to being an active member of redszone.
I dive for the ball every time I watch the replay.
You can argue all you want about Votto offensively, but anyone who has watched the Reds this year would have to admit that his defense has been horrible. He is on a pace to commit 17 or 18 errors for a first baseman and that is awful.
Blitz Dorsey (08-08-2013)
"Iíll kind of have a foot on the back of my own butt. Thatís just how I do things.Ē -- Bryan Price, 10/22/2013
I understand that RBI total isn't everything, but if you are a great player and get the money he gets you are expected to produce. You can say all you want about how great his obp is and how the guys in front of him are letting him down, but just look at other players that are great. Grab Miguel Cabrera's baseball card, and I promise he will get damn close to his avg, hr, and RBI almost every year. He has done it 10 years now, and he hasn't always hit behind the same guys. So, I do think if you are as great as everyone thinks Votto is, and are paid to produce then I believe you can control some of those things. Everybody around here throws jabs at all of our players, but the minute someone brings up a logical point about Votto, then we call them stupid. I think a lot of people on this team could do more, and I believe Votto is our best player. I still think he could do more.
If Joey Votto's crime is that he's not quite as great as Miguel Cabrera, I can live with that. Miguel Cabrera will likely finish his career as an inner circle Hall of Famer.
Nobody is calling anybody stupid. Joey Votto could drive in a higher percentage of runners; he's having a poor season in that regard. Here's the thing. He's hitting .302/.458/.490 with RISP. It's not like he's hitting like crap in those situations. He's just walking a lot and not hitting for as much power as he has in the past. Yep. He could be better. If that's the only point, I don't think you'll find anybody who disagrees.
It would help if he got more to hit. It would also help if he struck out less -- like, say, Miguel Cabrera or Brandon Phillips. That said, I wonder if having a Prince Fielder behind him or a guy with a OBP north of .300 immediately ahead of him would help.
This just reminds me so much of Adam Dunn. Why are we so obsessed with finding the slight flaws in our best players and bemoaning the fact that they aren't perfect?
Last edited by RedsManRick; 08-08-2013 at 12:07 AM.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
How many guys in total were on first base when each of the two men batted, and what percent of them scored?
As someone said earlier most everyone will grant you Cabrera > Votto, but flipping up their RBI totals with no context doesn't really tell us much.
Did I hear right the other day that Choo just hit his first home run of the year with a man in base (which does seem to be a bit of an anomaly)? Does that mean Choo is a bum with runners on, or is it a function of the 8 hole and the pitcher batting in front of him?
Larkin Fan (08-08-2013)
For their career.
Miguel Cabrera 19% of baserunners scored.
Joey Votto 18%.