....which kind of proves the point.
Let Joey do what he does and the RBI will take care of themselves.
....which kind of proves the point.
Let Joey do what he does and the RBI will take care of themselves.
I Like It When He Does That. Very Productive, Even If Some Deem the stat Flawed.
Last edited by RollyInRaleigh; 08-09-2013 at 09:05 PM.
Yeah, Joey looks pretty good tonight. He is having a terrific season.
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Happens When I Use My Droid Phone To Post On Redszone. As Far As Your Comment, I Guess It Depends On How You Look At The Game. I Simply Don't Believe The Ability To Hit With Runners In Scoring Position Is Some Random Happening In The Game Of Baseball. You Hit In Those Positions In The Batting Order, Where Runners Are Likely To Be On, For A Reason.
Last edited by RollyInRaleigh; 08-09-2013 at 09:10 PM.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. -- Carl Sagan (Pale Blue Dot)
And that's not the argument I'm making.
Two guys on two different teams could have the exact same numbers and have different RBI totals.
It's not the act of driving another player in that's the issue, it's the assigning of credit for something completely outside his control...whether or not there are runners on base in front of him. Joey at bat with a runner on third hits a double. One RBI. Edgar Martinez at bat with two runners in scoring position hits a double. Both guys did the exact same thing, but at the end of the year Edgar has more RBI than Votto, and everything else being equal, Edgar had the "better" year.
Again, this still glosses over the fact that Votto actually does convert fewer baserunners than average and is below his career average this year.
Someone factored in the IBBs and showed it brought his 12% rate up to 13 and change. That's still a below average number, the average sits between 15-16%
But the important thing to remember is that it's just not about (for lack of a better term) run "production" it's about run CREATION.
I've described a player's responsibility as avoiding outs and collecting bases. Let me describe it another way: creating opportunities for himself and creating opportunities for his teammates.
It's every hitters job to set the table for the next guy and to clear the table for the ones before.
Yes, in the 3rd, a guy got on ahead of him (out of his control) and he hit the ball hard off the fence (in his control.......sort of), so he got an RBI, but.....................................he did not get credit for a RBI with a runner in scoring position like he did in the first, but he hit the ball much harder in the 3rd. Then Marty and his WLW Sportstalk minions will, in the future, use "BA with RISP" to take a dig when he misses a RISP opportunity. Flaws all over the place with using RBI as any kind of measurement for a batter's value, indeed.
Last edited by traderumor; 08-10-2013 at 08:54 AM.
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