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    Re: Underrated or Forgotten Pitchers

    Rick Rhoden. 151 career wins plus 3 top 10s on golf's Senior Tour. Take that Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders!

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    Re: Underrated or Forgotten Pitchers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    The other thread got me thinking about pitchers:

    Rick Reuschel.

    Good lord- Top 100 WAR player all time. #65th ranked pitcher, all-time.

    Played for awful Cubs and Pirates teams.

    Remember 1987 when the ball couldn't stay in the yard, except off of Resuchel, and everyone was trying to get this 38 year old junker? The Giants finally landed him and he had a pretty good run with them.

    Loved that guy. Big Daddy.

    Gotta be some more-help me out.
    We used to call him "Humpty Dumpty." One of the least-athletic looking pitchers of the era. But he was also one of the most frustrating pitchers the Reds faced in the late 80s. We'd intentionally avoid games if he was going to be on the mound that night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post

    Doug Drabek
    Yet another soft-tosser who could be hell on the Reds. Good call.
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    Curt Simmons
    Jim O'Toole
    Bob Purkey
    Joey Jay
    J. R. Richard
    Mike Scott

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    Ron Guidry
    Mike Cuellar
    Dave McNally
    Jerry Reuss
    John Tudor
    Mickey Lolich
    Jerry Koosman
    Jack Billingham
    Luis Tiant
    Ken Holtzman
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    Ryan Raburn

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    Andy Pettitte.
    A summer watching a bad Reds' team, is still a pretty good summer.

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    Not forgotten, but in recent years, I think no pitcher is more underrated than Tim Hudson.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Fred Norman, especially as a Red.

    A late bloomer, didn't get his career started until he was 28, but as a Red, over seven seasons, went 85-64 with a 3.35 ERA. What I liked about him was that he was a short lefty, listed at 5 foot 9, but probably shorter. Great curveball. One of the forgotten, but very important members of the BRM.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

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    Mike Moore
    Teddy Higuera
    Sabermetrics is this: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.

    Forget the rain. It's never an official game until the Reds piss away a run between third base and home plate. - Bluegrass Redleg

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    I'll second Soto. First one that came to my mind. Crying shame he pitched for such sucky teams. What a changeup.

    Was always amazed at the Whale's run. Looked like they pulled him out off a beer league softball field. Come to think of it, his velocity wasn't much more than slow pitch softball. But man, his ball could sink and he never threw the same speed twice.

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    Re: Underrated or Forgotten Pitchers

    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    Andy Pettitte.
    Really? As a joke I was trying to think of an opposite of this list and Pettitte was the first guy I thought of.

    He's had a strong career but I'd hardly say he's widely underrated.

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    Re: Underrated or Forgotten Pitchers

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Not forgotten, but in recent years, I think no pitcher is more underrated than Tim Hudson.
    I think you could throw Mark Buerhle up there with Tim Hudson. Hudson has a slight edge over Buerhle, but they have pretty comparable numbers. Buerhle has about 200 less strikeouts, and his career ERA+ is 6 less at 118 vs. 124 for Hudson. Buerhle has less walks though and is 4 years younger.

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    Steve Busby
    Joaquin Andujar
    Mickey Lolich
    Mike Krukow
    Doyle Alexander
    Burt Hooton
    Jim Deshaies
    Bob Knepper
    Mike Flanagan
    Scott McGregor
    Bill Gullickson
    Andy Messersmith
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    Mike Hampton
    John Stupor
    John Denny
    John Montefusco
    John Candelaria
    Sabermetrics is this: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.

    Forget the rain. It's never an official game until the Reds piss away a run between third base and home plate. - Bluegrass Redleg


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