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Thread: Is Joey Votto the 2013 NL MVP ?

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    Re: Is Joey Votto the 2013 NL MVP ?

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Voters look at BA as much, if not more than HR and RBI. Even a guy hitting .270 won't get a second look, if there are guys hitting .300 who are also hitting HR's and driving in runs. Bruce and Phillips might get votes, but not first place votes.
    Lots of guys have won by hitting HR and RBI with a .275ish BA. Schmidt, Stargell, Bench, Murphy, Gibson, Dawson, etc. If Jay Bruce gets hot and leads the league in HR and RBI while falling 100 OPS points shy of Votto, I'd guess that Bruce would get more votes than Joey. Goldschmidt is already there. The only question is whether he'll be penalized for missing the play-offs.

    Personally, Votto would get my vote. Unfortunately, I don't get to vote and the guys who do won't see it that way IMO.
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    Re: Is Joey Votto the 2013 NL MVP ?

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Lots of guys have won by hitting HR and RBI with a .275ish BA. Schmidt, Stargell, Bench, Murphy, Gibson, Dawson, etc. If Jay Bruce gets hot and leads the league in HR and RBI while falling 100 OPS points shy of Votto, I'd guess that Bruce would get more votes than Joey. Goldschmidt is already there. The only question is whether he'll be penalized for missing the play-offs.

    Personally, Votto would get my vote. Unfortunately, I don't get to vote and the guys who do won't see it that way IMO.
    Not to pick nits, but Bench was the only one with a BA in the .270's and he was a gold glove catcher. The other guys you mentioned hit .280 or higher. Plus none had any real competition from a .300+ hitter. I agree voters look at baseball card stats, I just think they include BA as well.
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    Re: Is Joey Votto the 2013 NL MVP ?

    MVP voters are evolving a bit.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Is Joey Votto the 2013 NL MVP ?

    I think he needs to get his HR count up in the high 20s at least and have a big RBI streak. Voters hate low numbers in those two categories.

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    Re: Is Joey Votto the 2013 NL MVP ?

    Who knows if it's likely that Votto wins or not but if he doesn't get votes it would be a head scratcher IMHO.
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    Re: Is Joey Votto the 2013 NL MVP ?

    If the Pirates make the playoffs, it will be McCutchen going away, followed by Goldschmidt and a mess of guys in the race for 3rd, Votto included.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Is Joey Votto the 2013 NL MVP ?

    This poll has changed drastically in the past 20+ hours. It was 30-2 at one point, or something like that.
    "I talked to an advance scout that told me if Joey Votto and Albert Pujols were on the same team he'd advise his team to do the unthinkable...pitch around Votto to get to Pujols." - Buster Olney, ESPN

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    Re: Is Joey Votto the 2013 NL MVP ?

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Voters look at BA as much, if not more than HR and RBI. Even a guy hitting .270 won't get a second look, if there are guys hitting .300 who are also hitting HR's and driving in runs. Bruce and Phillips might get votes, but not first place votes.
    I wouldn't bank on that. Some of the voters will still view certain tradional stats too much, they could also prefer giving it to a certain type of player, and voters can be homers.

    I wouldn't be surprised if either one of those guys got a couple 1st place votes. One would be from a Cincinnati guy and the other would be from one of those voters that vote for a player that noone expects.
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    Re: Is Joey Votto the 2013 NL MVP ?

    Kershaw is having one of the best pitching seasons of all time. Unless he absolutely implodes, I'd say he's a solid lock for MVP.
    Choo got it, dude.

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