Joe Morgan wants Pete in the Hall

[Hoosier Red]

It doesn't matter what Pete agreed to. Bud Selig has a grudge against him, in large part because he blames him for his friend Bart Giamatti's death. Bud rules with an iron fist when he wants to and as long as Bud is in office, Pete will not get reinstatement.

I had always heard it was Fay Vincent who held the grudge against Rose and he lobbied the Hall of Fame to change its rules.

That said, does it really matter anymore? If Pete needs the Hall of Fame recognition to be complete, he's likely never going to fill that hole. The Hall of Fame still stands with or without Pete. Pete's accomplishments are mentioned throughout the museum, so it's not like they've tried to whitewash over his career.

Regardless the equating of betting to PED's is completely useless. You can argue back and forth over which one is worse for the game, which one is more damaging to one's integrity. But one is not the other, and there's no reason why the penalty for one has to equal the penalty for another.

[icehole3]

If Pete can't get in then none of these junkies should be allowed in.

[Chip R]

If Pete can't get in then none of these junkies should be allowed in.

With the exception of Paul Molitor, none of them have.

[Roy Tucker]

All of the betting on baseball and not rebuilding his life and lying for so long are all great reasons why he should never be allowed back in baseball. Ever.

But none of that should preclude him from being on the HoF ballot. You don't need to be a Boy Scout to be in the Hall.

Now, if the voters don't want to vote him in, that's fine. But let the votedrs decide. If he never gets the necessary vote, so be it.

[lidspinner]

Pete Rose bet on baseball and then lied to you for however many years about it. He also went to jail for tax evasion.

You don't have to go to very many lengths to "beat down" Pete Rose. Great player, liar, and all around bad guy.

Again, all that is old news that posters and people regurgitate up nowadays and call it news. What does anything you wrote except for the gambling have to do with his HOF status? Pete was a prick, there isn't one reds fan who doesn't get that, we all know it......the simple argument that people keep going to is how he lied, or cheated or was a bad husband, or cheated on his taxes.....I think I just wrote the characteristic personalities of 75% of the HOF members.

Pete's 1 issue is his gambling on baseball. Debate that if your want and people will respect your opinion much more than trying to convince us he was a bad man therefore should not be in the HOF.

The amount of shady investigative work and research that went into the dowd report should be enough to get Pete back in but Selig will never admit to that. Like stated earlier, Selig has it out for Pete and if Selig has anything to do with hiring his replacement he will make sure his successor does not want Pete in either.

[dubc47834]

What does how he sign a baseball have to do with him being if the HOF? The lengths reds fans go to beat down Pete Rose just plain baffles me.

The prices he can charge for that HOF at the end of his name would make him a nice chunk of change! Reds fans don't have to go to much lengths to beat down Pete, he gave us many a reasons!!!

[dubc47834]

Again, all that is old news that posters and people regurgitate up nowadays and call it news. What does anything you wrote except for the gambling have to do with his HOF status? Pete was a prick, there isn't one reds fan who doesn't get that, we all know it......the simple argument that people keep going to is how he lied, or cheated or was a bad husband, or cheated on his taxes.....I think I just wrote the characteristic personalities of 75% of the HOF members.

Pete's 1 issue is his gambling on baseball. Debate that if your want and people will respect your opinion much more than trying to convince us he was a bad man therefore should not be in the HOF.

The amount of shady investigative work and research that went into the dowd report should be enough to get Pete back in but Selig will never admit to that. Like stated earlier, Selig has it out for Pete and if Selig has anything to do with hiring his replacement he will make sure his successor does not want Pete in either.

It's not that Pete was a bad man, it was that he continued to be a bad man and spit in the face of baseball fans by continuing to lie and do what he was doing, even after he admitted to betting on baseball. I understand Pete is a beloved figure in many Reds fans eyes, I don't have a problem with that. I just can't hold him to that level in my eyes!

[BluegrassRedleg]

Being a Reds fan who's perpetually angry with Pete seems to be the chic thing with many.

People make mistakes. And he's paid a heavy price for his. To suggest that punishment needs to last forever is petty and sad. It's baseball, people. There are white-collar men and women who almost brought this country to its knees that are going about their business today without paying any kind of price. And we're still trying to beat this guy up over baseball.

[dubc47834]

Being a Reds fan who's perpetually angry with Pete seems to be the chic thing with many.

People make mistakes. And he's paid a heavy price for his. To suggest that punishment needs to last forever is petty and sad. It's baseball, people. There are white-collar men and women who almost brought this country to its knees that are going about their business today without paying any kind of price. And we're still trying to beat this guy up over baseball.

It's not over just baseball!

[BluegrassRedleg]

It's not over just baseball!

Is there something else that he's done that he's not paid for with some kind of penalty?

[Mutaman]

Pete Rose's actions after he was banned from baseball are the reasons why he is not in the HOF. Pete's steadfast denial over a decade is a large reason why he is not in the HOF. Pete's association with Las Vegas, casinos, racetracks, etc. is a large reason why he is not in the HOF. .

He's "associated with racetracks"?? The horror.

Query: Hornung , Paul???

[dubc47834]

Is there something else that he's done that he's not paid for with some kind of penalty?

He hasn't paid his full penalty yet! When he does I'm all for Pete being in the HOF. If a commisioner wants to basically pardon him at some point and let him back in baseball, Im good with that also. But lets not act like Pete Rose is innocent in all this. But honestly, do you think anyone would hire Pete Rose for any job in baseball, I sure as hell wouldn't!!!

[dubc47834]

He's "associated with racetracks"?? The horror.

Query: Hornung , Paul???

You're missing the point. That stuff got him in trouble with baseball in the 1st place. What makes anyone think that if he was reinstated he wouldn't do the same thing as before if he continued to habg around these places! I think many some Reds fans have blinders on because he was such a beloved figure here!

[Hoosier Red]

Being a Reds fan who's perpetually angry with Pete seems to be the chic thing with many.

People make mistakes.
And he's paid a heavy price for his. To suggest that punishment needs to last forever is petty and sad.

1) You're right, everyone makes mistakes. If he had simply made the "mistake" of "oops" betting on baseball in clear violation of the rules which he knew he was breaking. He'd be back in by now.

But of course that was only the beginning. When he agreed to his lifetime ban, he was told to go out and change his ways. Is there any indication that he's done so? Hanging around casinos and race tracks doesn't make him a bad guy, but it reinforces the belief that he hasn't changed his ways, and continually attempting to profit from his "prison without bars" does the same.

It may not be right for baseball to sit in judgement of him, but that's the deal he agreed to.

It's baseball, people. There are white-collar men and women who almost brought this country to its knees that are going about their business today without paying any kind of price. And we're still trying to beat this guy up over baseball.

Of course its just baseball, but if it's only baseball what compels you to argue in his favor? It's just baseball after all. Since Pete Rose has not been implicated in anything related to the financial crisis, I'm not sure what one has to do with another.

It's not as if justice in all things is put on hold until the greater justice is served on those we deem responsible for more important sins.

[Always Red]

If hanging around casinos is frowned upon, why is one opening up on every street corner in America?

Why are half the ads in the Cincinnati area for casinos competing against each other for our dollars?

Seems to be a double standard here.