Turn Off Ads?
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 33

Thread: phillies did what?

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,059

    phillies did what?

    The Oregonian with the scoop. strange story

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/p...of-spite-.html

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    Moderator RedlegJake's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    North Kansas City, Mo
    Posts
    5,813

    Re: phillies did what?

    Someone on the Phillies is going to be out of a job
    No - I am not from State Farm!

  4. #3
    Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    648

    Re: phillies did what?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    Someone on the Phillies is going to be out of a job
    Someone should lose their job but with Ruben Amaro running the show it's hard to say with any degree of certainty.

    I just don't understand this from Philly's POV. Even if they felt like Wetzler screwed them over, the Phillies gain nothing by turning him into the NCAA and run the risk of alienating a lot of other players / "advisors" in the process.

  5. Likes:

    Chuckie (03-03-2014)

  6. #4
    Rally Onion! Chip R's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Cincinnati, OH
    Posts
    34,423
    The Rally Onion wants 150 fans before Opening Day.

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rally-...24872650873160

  7. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,059

    Re: phillies did what?

    happy ending. still a wierd story

  8. #6
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    35,414

    Re: phillies did what?

    Coaches and "advisers" all over the country have already come out and said they aren't going to let the Phillies talk to their players or even give them access to any of their records on players.

  9. #7
    Moderator Gallen5862's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Wilmington,NC
    Posts
    6,528

    Re: phillies did what?

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-...-states-season

    Ben Wetzler suspended for 20 percent of Oregon State's season

    Oregon State pitcher Ben Wetzler was selected by the Phillies in the fifth round in last June's MLB draft. As is standard procedure these days, he consulted with an agent while deciding whether to sign with the Phillies or to stay in school. He elected the latter.

    In turn, the Phillies turned in Wetzler for the NCAA for contact with an agent and now he's been cost 20 percent of his senior year.

  10. #8
    Member 757690's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Dayton
    Posts
    10,523

    Re: phillies did what?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Coaches and "advisers" all over the country have already come out and said they aren't going to let the Phillies talk to their players or even give them access to any of their records on players.
    That's just as childish as what the Phillies did. We also don't know the whole story.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

  11. #9
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    35,414

    Re: phillies did what?

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    That's just as childish as what the Phillies did. We also don't know the whole story.
    No it really isn't. That still leaves open 29 teams that can get them and the Phillies can still draft the kid without them if they want.

  12. Likes:

    M2 (02-22-2014)

  13. #10
    Stat Wanker Hodiernus RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Guelph, ON
    Posts
    16,022

    Re: phillies did what?

    The NCAA, where if you have somebody talk to somebody else about you eventually paying you, we'll take you down hard (while continuing to make money off you ourselves).
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

  14. Likes:

    camisadelgolf (02-23-2014), dougdirt (02-22-2014), Edd Roush (02-23-2014), M2 (02-24-2014), mth123 (02-23-2014), Ravenlord (02-26-2014), Rojo (02-24-2014), Slyder (02-24-2014), thatcoolguy_22 (02-28-2014), Tom Servo (02-22-2014), villain612 (02-25-2014)

  15. #11
    Posting in Dynarama M2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2000
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    28,163

    Re: phillies did what?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    No it really isn't. That still leaves open 29 teams that can get them and the Phillies can still draft the kid without them if they want.
    Agreed. There's no reason to deal with an organization like that.
    Baseball isn't a magic trick ... it doesn't get spoiled if you figure out how it works. - gonelong

    I'm witchcrafting everybody.

  16. #12
    Member 757690's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Dayton
    Posts
    10,523

    Re: phillies did what?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    No it really isn't. That still leaves open 29 teams that can get them and the Phillies can still draft the kid without them if they want.
    But we don't know why the Phillies did this.

    According the reporting, what the kids did was no different than what nearly every other possible draft pick out of college does.

    So why would the Phillies single these guys out, considering that other players that the Phillies drafted but didn't sign, also committed the same technical NCAA infraction? It makes zero sense for the Phillies to single these kids out, unless these kids did something unique and uncalled for during negotiations.

    It seems like a childish way for the Phillies to handle it, but I would deduct that these kids did something to deserve some retribution. I'm pretty sure we don't know the whole story, and if we did, we'd see it differently.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

  17. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,059

    Re: phillies did what?

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    But we don't know why the Phillies did this.

    According the reporting, what the kids did was no different than what nearly every other possible draft pick out of college does.

    So why would the Phillies single these guys out, considering that other players that the Phillies drafted but didn't sign, also committed the same technical NCAA infraction? It makes zero sense for the Phillies to single these kids out, unless these kids did something unique and uncalled for during negotiations.

    It seems like a childish way for the Phillies to handle it, but I would deduct that these kids did something to deserve some retribution. I'm pretty sure we don't know the whole story, and if we did, we'd see it differently.
    If there is more than one show, things like this wouldn't happen.

    I'll forever be a fan of Brandon Jennings for just deciding to play ball in Europe, when presented with institutional coercion. That's life.

  18. #14
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    35,414

    Re: phillies did what?

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    But we don't know why the Phillies did this.

    According the reporting, what the kids did was no different than what nearly every other possible draft pick out of college does.

    So why would the Phillies single these guys out, considering that other players that the Phillies drafted but didn't sign, also committed the same technical NCAA infraction? It makes zero sense for the Phillies to single these kids out, unless these kids did something unique and uncalled for during negotiations.

    It seems like a childish way for the Phillies to handle it, but I would deduct that these kids did something to deserve some retribution. I'm pretty sure we don't know the whole story, and if we did, we'd see it differently.
    As far as we know, this is the first time it has happened since the early 90's and the Phillies did it TWICE last season. What probably happened is that these kids probably floated that they would sign for X amount and the Phillies offered it and the kids changed their minds. The Phillies got mad about it and turned them in. No matter how you slice it, the Phillies did this out of spite. There is absolutely no reason at all for them to care one bit to turn someone in to the NCAA other than spite. They gain absolutely nothing out of turning them in except "payback".

  19. #15
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,059

    Re: phillies did what?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    As far as we know, this is the first time it has happened since the early 90's and the Phillies did it TWICE last season. What probably happened is that these kids probably floated that they would sign for X amount and the Phillies offered it and the kids changed their minds. The Phillies got mad about it and turned them in. No matter how you slice it, the Phillies did this out of spite. There is absolutely no reason at all for them to care one bit to turn someone in to the NCAA other than spite. They gain absolutely nothing out of turning them in except "payback".
    one door closes and another opens, and all of a sudden the maze is just a choice. looks like it'll be a matter of "catch up"
    Last edited by Orenda; 02-22-2014 at 06:16 PM.


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25