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    Re: Joey Votto - 'I want every single RBI, every single run'

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    Votto needed to expand his strike zone last night. If he had swung at ball four in the 8th maybe that wild pitch wouldn't have allowed Choo to score....
    Ha, and they say he doesn't create runs!

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    Re: Joey Votto - 'I want every single RBI, every single run'

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    If your meal is crap but the cut of meat is perfect what use is it to place scorn on the meat?

    FWIW Waite Hoyte was asked to take it easy on the Reds in the late 40's when they stunk, Warren Giles felt it was bad press to talk down the home team. Hoyt felt that he had to be honest.

    Difference is Hoyt played the game at its highest level and (like Joe) knew when to pull punches and when to lay off. The Brennaman's alas have no such governor on their engines.
    Joe was the governor on Marty's engine. When Joe left, there was nobody left to rein Marty in. (Yes, I know I just mixed my metaphors.)



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    Joe and Barry Larkin both retired from the Reds on the same day?

    Not sure how or why I forgot that, but that should have been a huge celebration that day, not a day for bad feelings.

    Not sure how much Marty is to blame, and how much of that is on the terrible management of the Reds at that time.

    Edit: I know Joe was forced out (but, it really was time) and I know Barry wanted to play another season (but, it really was time).

    But looking back now, at it, this should have been an enormous celebration of two amazing careers of two of the very finest baseball sons of Cincinnati.

    An opportunity, sadly missed.
    Joe's postgame show on his last day was the saddest thing I've ever heard on radio. I bawled when I listened to it, and I'm getting a little teary-eyed right now just thinking about it.
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    Re: Joey Votto - 'I want every single RBI, every single run'

    Not sure where to post his, so I'll put it here.

    Joey just lost track of how many outs there were in the 7th inning of tonight's game.

    I'm a huge Votto fan, but there is something going on with him. Something's not quite right.

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    Re: Joey Votto - 'I want every single RBI, every single run'

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    Not sure where to post his, so I'll put it here.

    Joey just lost track of how many outs there were in the 7th inning of tonight's game.

    I'm a huge Votto fan, but there is something going on with him. Something's not quite right.
    I'd give him a break. He's flying drones over Syria with his mind right now.

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    Re: Joey Votto - 'I want every single RBI, every single run'

    Do we really have to microanalyze every single thing Votto does as if it's proof of some inner conflict or issue? Is it bad that he lost track of the number of outs? It's certainly not good. But let's not pretend he's the first star to ever do so, nor will he be the last.

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    Re: Joey Votto - 'I want every single RBI, every single run'

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    Not sure where to post his, so I'll put it here.

    Joey just lost track of how many outs there were in the 7th inning of tonight's game.

    I'm a huge Votto fan, but there is something going on with him. Something's not quite right.
    A mental lapse like that, in that situation, is inexcusable.
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    Re: Joey Votto - 'I want every single RBI, every single run'

    Quote Originally Posted by Larkin Fan View Post
    Do we really have to microanalyze every single thing Votto does as if it's proof of some inner conflict or issue? Is it bad that he lost track of the number of outs? It's certainly not good. But let's not pretend he's the first star to ever do so, nor will he be the last.
    Dude, I love ya, but this is not microanalysis. This is macro, as in very often, in the field and on the bases.

    It's a trend, don't you think so, doc?

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    Re: Joey Votto - 'I want every single RBI, every single run'

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    Not sure where to post his, so I'll put it here.

    Joey just lost track of how many outs there were in the 7th inning of tonight's game.

    I'm a huge Votto fan, but there is something going on with him. Something's not quite right.
    Normally, I'd give him a break on this. But his defense and TOOTBLANS immediately come to mind regarding this season and makes you wonder about his focus. But I guess as long as you're OPSing 900+, it doesn't matter what else you do.

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    Re: Joey Votto - 'I want every single RBI, every single run'

    Quote Originally Posted by TSJ55 View Post
    A mental lapse like that, in that situation, is inexcusable.
    Sound like he should be written up and a letter placed in his personnel file by Human Resources.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Joey Votto - 'I want every single RBI, every single run'

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    Sound like he should be written up and a letter placed in his personnel file by Human Resources.
    Whatever it takes.
    Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted.

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    Re: Joey Votto - 'I want every single RBI, every single run'

    Go Gators!

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    Re: Joey Votto - 'I want every single RBI, every single run'

    We're all Joey Votto fans here, and that lapse did NOT cost them the game, but it's time to ask, really, why Votto is daydreaming out there on the field and the base paths. It's been all year long. I watch nearly every single game.

    I'm sure I will catch hell here. Votto did not give up 8 runs tonight. I'm not a Votto hater, by any means. He's the best player the Reds have. But he's been off this year, in the field and on the base paths.

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    Re: Joey Votto - 'I want every single RBI, every single run'

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    We're all Joey Votto fans here, and that lapse did NOT cost them the game, but it's time to ask, really, why Votto is daydreaming out there on the field and the base paths. It's been all year long. I watch nearly every single game.

    I'm sure I will catch hell here. Votto did not give up 8 runs tonight. I'm not a Votto hater, by any means. He's the best player the Reds have. But he's been off this year, in the field and on the base paths.
    Not that I actually think this was the case today, but Votto has mentioned that August is particularly tough for him mentally given the anniversary of his father's passing.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Joey Votto - 'I want every single RBI, every single run'

    Everyone makes mistakes in even bigger games and bigger situations than tonight. No one is perfect. If I didn't know any better, I would've thought Fred Merkle was playing 1st base tonight.

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    Re: Joey Votto - 'I want every single RBI, every single run'

    I'm not unhappy with Votto's performance this year, and I'm not sure we need an explanation for it other than "sometimes players don't play as well as they have in the past."

    That said, if I were to wildly speculate about psychological reasons, I would say that Joey is pressing because he's a perfectionist and it kills him not produce like he thinks he should. I still remember that press conference when he signed the big contract. Most guys would have been all smiles, but Votto was pretty serious and said something like "I'm just going to try my best. I can't guarantee anything." I think we can all be pretty sure that no one is as upset about this season as the guy himself.

    All of this goes to show, of course, my other theory -- that Joey Votto, in addition to being the best current Reds player by far, is also an existentialist hero for the 21st century.


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