Lots of misunderstanding in this thread.
Lots of misunderstanding in this thread.
"I talked to an advance scout that told me if Joey Votto and Albert Pujols were on the same team he'd advise his team to do the unthinkable...pitch around Votto to get to Pujols." - Buster Olney, ESPN
I think it's a stupid assumption to think great run producers do so because they chase balls out of the zone and bloop them into the outfield for a soft single.
Miggy has been great this year because he's mashing balls in nearly every part of the strike zone.
When the rest of the lineup starts hitting better, Votto's decision to not open up his strike zone in run-producing opportunities won't be an issue, as Votto could end up scoring 150+ runs in a season, making up for the lower RBI total from this season.
As Cozart and Frazier enter their third full seasons, and Mesoraco enters his second full season, all three of these players will end up driving in Votto more often (and giving Votto more opportunities for runs to be batted in).
This doesn't include the assumed production that will come from Left Field next season as Heisey is a year older and Ludwick is healthy again.
Votto is the most consistent hitter the REDS have ever had. It doesn't matter the situation, who's pitching, etc. He produces the same numbers all the time. He just doesn't have slumps.
Those who would like to see Votto produce more RBI's would like to see his approach change when the run-producing opportunities are there. We would like to see him expand his strike zone or swing sometimes at the first fastball-strike he sees (because it may be the only one he gets).
Votto is great enough that expanding his strike zone under run-producing situations will have a more positive impact in producing a greater number of runs for the team, especially with the weakness of the lower part of the lineup this season.
Did you miss the stats where over the previous 3 seasons Votto put up better numbers across the board than Miggy with RISP? All of that with the same approach Votto uses now. If you've got a problem with an approach that leads to .375/.514/.683/1.197 then you have the problem, not Votto.
Also you didn't answer my question about the 2 scenarios. Which one do you think scores more runs long term?
Well the long term is over the course of a season, but I know why you aren't answering the question.
His approach is not producing less runs. You just act like it is. The Reds are 4th in the NL in runs, where do they come from?
Btw Votto leads the NL in runs created. So I'd love to know how he's producing less runs.
So you think scenario 1 I guess.
If you firmly believe Votto is not productive (even though he leads the NL in runs created) can you tell me, with stats, why you don't think he's being productive?
Babe Ruth had 2220 career RBI and also walked a bunch. Barry Bonds is perhaps my least favorite player ever, but he had 1996 career RBI and walked more in a single season than anybody. Ted Williams had 1839 career RBI in a career shortened by nearly five seasons because of military service and he regularly walked 150 times a season and refused to expand his strike zone for anyone.
Other than perhaps Vlad Guerrero, Yogi Berra, Paul Daugherty and Marty Brennaman, who are the MLB hitters who ever had any great success intentionally expanding their strike zone to swing at pitches than are not strikes?
"Hey...Dad. Wanna Have A Catch?" Kevin Costner in "Field Of Dreams."
There are completely different expectations for every player, and Votto is not reaching the expectations for him "this season".
Hmm, I guess you are just trolling this thread?
I really wish the Cincinnati media would stop beating up the star players on the Reds as soon as their paychecks get big. It's been going on far too long.
If Votto had 100 RBI now, they'd find something else to criticize about him.
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