"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
AmarilloRed (08-23-2013),Big Klu (08-25-2013),Larkin Fan (08-23-2013),redsfanmia (08-23-2013),VottoFan54 (08-24-2013),westofyou (08-23-2013)
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Over-rated players are going to be great players in many cases. Jeter was always my immediate response to that question over the years, but I've still grown to really like him and admire the career he's had. He's been a superb baseball player and has had a stellar career. The over-rated tag comes not from him not being a great player, but the degree to which the national sports media built him up. He was never as good as he was made out to be, but that does not mean he wasn't a great ballplayer.
Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David
Norm Chortleton (08-23-2013),UC_Ken (08-23-2013),westofyou (08-23-2013),_Sir_Charles_ (08-23-2013)
Yes I do. Both are overrated for the same reasons.
Incidentally, Ichiro gets extra credit in his OPS+ for playing in pitchers' park in Seattle most of his career. But keep in mind that Ichiro was actually perfectly suited for that ballpark and it actually helped him while hurting the slugger types. Ichiro's OPS was slightly higher at home than on the road because Safeco is a perfect haven for slap-hitters.
That's what I was getting at. And, like you, I have also grown to appreciate him. He's had a great career, but the NY factor and the rings have always helped elevate his stature.
I would have said the same thing about Pete Rose the last 5-6 years he hung on to chase Cobb's record.
Rounding third and heading for home...
Rounding third and heading for home...
Yes it sure was a different game then. Big fields with ultra-fast Astroturf favored slap hitters more than sluggers. I think Pete was perfectly suited to his era.
I think pitching is much tougher to hit now than it was in the 70's. Pitchers throw harder now, they throw a wider variety of pitches on average, when they get hurt they get repaired instead of retiring, and the pool of players is much larger now than it was then (population has grown much faster than the # of teams, recruiting is now worldwide to a greater extent).
Over the last two seasons Adrian Gonzalez has hit .299/.345/.461/.806, which by itself is a respectable line but for a guy getting his money, recognition, and reputation, it's a high tumble down from his .306/.403/.536/.940 line from 2009-2011.
“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
Rounding third and heading for home...
My vote goes to Zack Greinke. His last 3 seasons he has been outperformed by Kyle Lohse yet was just signed for 6 years and has the next 5 all at 25+ million per year. That is not even delving into the haul Milwaukee got for the rental of Greinke by the Angels.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...reinza01.shtml
Lohse for comparison
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...ohseky01.shtml
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"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
You can practically see the PEDs dripping off Ellsbury's 2011 season.
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