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    Re: Most overrated player in baseball?

    Matt Kemp.

    Had a ridiculous season once. Other than that he's just a guy and rarely stays healthy enough to play anyway.
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    Re: Most overrated player in baseball?

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Prince Fielder as Ironman said.
    Surprised to see Fielder on here twice. I would've said underrated since he has gone to Detroit. Down year this season for sure but OPS+ of 141 in career and pretty much never misses a game.

    Even in this his down season he is about the same hitter as Jay Bruce this season. Granted no where near the defensive value.

    My overrated would be Matt Moore. Don't see him ever living up to potential walking that many guys.

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    Re: Most overrated player in baseball?

    Nick Swisher

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    Re: Most overrated player in baseball?

    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling View Post
    Ichiro Suzuki is the most overrated player in baseball today and possibly in the history of baseball. Many people think he is one of the most elite hitters in baseball history but the stats paint a different picture.

    Ichiro has a .778 OPS for his career, which is 83rd out of only 187 active players with 3000 career plate appearances. That is "middle of the pack" for those not too good at math. He is 621st out of about 1500 players in history with 3000+ Plate Appearances. Not very impressive by any stretch of the imagination.

    Ichiro's career OPS+ is only 112, which makes him a little above average as a hitter in his career, yet some people think he is an automatic 1st ballot Hall of Famer. Boggles my mind.

    I realize some people still love them some good old-fashioned Batting Average, but even there his career AVG is only .3199, good for 53rd all-time and 4th among active players. Not really one of the very best ever.

    He rarely works a walk, which really puts a damper on his OBP. He has very little power (0.096 Isolated Power) and rarely gets extra base hits. Ichiro is a slap hitter, nothing more. He is simply not an elite hitter.

    Even though Ichiro came to the USA after playing several seasons in Japan he is still 7th among all active players in career Plate Appearances (and will be 5th by the end of the season), so it is not like he has been cheated for lack of opportunity. By the time he retires he will likely be in the top 50 All Time for most plate appearances. He has averaged 727 PAs per season, a very high number.

    Ichiro is a good all-around player. He is a slightly above average hitter, an excellent baserunner and an excellent defensive outfielder. But he is not worthy of being labelled one of the best players in the history of the game. There have been hundreds of players who were a LOT better than Ichiro Suzuki.

    Derek Jeter and Jacoby Ellsbury are also highly overrated for many of the same reasons.
    Ichiro's stats are majorly skewed by his last 3 seasons when he could just as easily be retired (ages 37-39). A number of his prime years he was still in Japan.

    Looking at what Ichiro was before normal aging took over (and his current abilities are still pretty adequate for a 39 year old), he was good for a .380 OBP, legit GG defense, and was a top baserunner. Ichiro averaged a tick over 5 WAR from 2001-2010. That would have ranked him as being about the 20th best player in baseball last season, and was able to sustain that level of production up until the age decline. There's certainly few guys who are able tp provide that level of production year in and year out. Is he a first ballot guy? No, because IMO he is hurt by tge fact he started late, but based on his real abilities, he certainly deserves a spot one day.

    You're right in the fact he probably could have been more patient, and he probably was an overrated hitter due to this fact, but he had real strong batted ball ability, and was very productive in using his abilties (not everyone has to approach an at-bat like Votto to be successful).

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    Re: Most overrated player in baseball?

    Quote Originally Posted by BluegrassRedleg View Post
    Present tense. He's had an amazing career.
    .316/.362./.429/.792 as a 38 year old. I'll take me some of that overrated.
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    Re: Most overrated player in baseball?

    I agree with Morneau, mainly because I've overrated him in my mind. Until checking the numbers, I didn't realize how much he'd dropped off the past few years.
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    Re: Most overrated player in baseball?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    .316/.362./.429/.792 as a 38 year old. I'll take me some of that overrated.
    In a not so great offensive year around baseball no less
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    Re: Most overrated player in baseball?

    Jonathan Papelbon, hands down.

    Also, Tim Tebow.

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    Re: Most overrated player in baseball?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
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    I don't think he's underrated so much as his physical conditioning doesn't allow him to get the most out of his abilities.
    Sabermetrics can be boiled down to this simple truism: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.

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    Re: Most overrated player in baseball?

    Quote Originally Posted by cincrazy View Post
    Jonathan Papelbon, hands down.
    That's a good choice. The Phillies have just been flushing money down the toilet in recent years.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Most overrated player in baseball?

    Quote Originally Posted by R_Webb18 View Post
    didn't he have the most hits last year?
    And a 2.2 WAR (which I'm frequently reminded around these parts is pretty important.)

    In the last 7 years, he's only topped 4.0 WAR one time, per Baseball Reference. In 2010, 2011 and 2013, it's been below 1.8.
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    Re: Most overrated player in baseball?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    I don't think he's underrated so much as his physical conditioning doesn't allow him to get the most out of his abilities.
    He's ate himself out of a position, he can't field well, he's a bat on the ball driven guy who is treated like a superstar in his home park. I "nice" batter with warts galore all over the diamond.

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    Re: Most overrated player in baseball?

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    Nick Swisher
    I've always thought that guy needs to be on the softball circuit....hat on backwards, dip in his mouth and circus clown striped pants...with a keg in tow.

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    Re: Most overrated player in baseball?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    .316/.362./.429/.792 as a 38 year old. I'll take me some of that overrated.
    You can have it. I'll take the 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011 and 2013 in this discussion.
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    Re: Most overrated player in baseball?

    In the Red's front office and on RZ, Jack Hannahan. Guy can't hit a lick, but everyone seems not to notice.

    Ellsbury is an odd pick. If he's rated highly it's because he has a skill set that's pretty rare these days. He's an up-the-middle player who gets on base and steals effectively.

    I'd peak into my bank account for that. My reservation is that he's going to be 30 and the speed will start to wane.
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