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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by OldXOhio View Post
    Will it also be because Walt cleared money via trade in the offseason?
    I don't see how Walt can open up meaningful money via trade unless it is Phillips or Votto. He could open up salary for next year, but Choo is going to command a long-term deal.

    I think Walt will try, but the numbers Choo can achieve elsewhere will be too compelling. Hope I'm wrong.

    Without Choo, Reds will have to add a short-term CFer. Even if Hamilton makes the ballclub, they can't depend on his bat every day as a rookie.

    Without Choo, Reds will also have to consider other changes in their offense. They can't expect an acceptable offense with the current team minus Choo without considering some changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    What did he say that wasn't smart?

    Choo splits:

    vs RHP: 1.025 OPS

    vs LHP: .544

    That is an extreme difference. Those numbers = platoon player

    Do you think you are smart after asking reds44 if he is smart? (what a weird comment/question)
    Yes, I'm smart.
    And Choo is not a platoon player but almost the best player in the mouth of Votto
    Here is proof.
    http://www.foxsportsohio.com/mlb/cin...blockID=907009

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    Do you think you are smart?
    I have never claimed to be, no.
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    Let's face it, you mis-hit the bun with the mustard squirter, no one will really care.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    Yes, I'm smart.
    And Choo is not a platoon player but almost the best player in the mouth of Votto
    Here is proof.
    http://www.foxsportsohio.com/mlb/cin...blockID=907009
    I'm not clicking that link.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    Yes, I'm smart.
    And Choo is not a platoon player but almost the best player in the mouth of Votto
    Here is proof.
    http://www.foxsportsohio.com/mlb/cin...blockID=907009
    How exactly does an article from May 30th where Joey Votto says one of his teammates is the best player on the team prove anything exactly?

    1.025 OPS vs RHP / .544 OPS vs LHP = proof

    Opinion of one man from an article on May 30th - when Choo was on fire and Votto was not = not proof


    Good to see you are confident in your intelligence...

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    What did he say that wasn't smart?

    Choo splits:

    vs RHP: 1.025 OPS

    vs LHP: .544

    That is an extreme difference. Those numbers = platoon player

    Do you think you are smart after asking reds44 if he is smart? (what a weird comment/question)
    On base a 1/3 of the time is not a platoon player. A lot of runs will be created because of that player. Especially when that player is probably the best base runner of the regulars on the team.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by RadfordVA View Post
    On base a 1/3 of the time is not a platoon player. A lot of runs will be created because of that player. Especially when that player is probably the best base runner of the regulars on the team.
    I understand with Choo's numbers he would never be played as if he were a platoon player. But his actual production shows that he really is.

    Basically, although Choo plays against LHPs, it is worse than having a league minimum right handed hitting CFer up there. He is that bad against LHPs. .544 OPS.

    .544 OPS

    .544 OPS

    Just think about that number for a minute.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    How exactly does an article from May 30th where Joey Votto says one of his teammates is the best player on the team prove anything exactly?

    1.025 OPS vs RHP / .544 OPS vs LHP = proof

    Opinion of one man from an article on May 30th - when Choo was on fire and Votto was not = not proof


    Good to see you are confident in your intelligence...
    Wow, you are so serious person.
    And you are lying.
    Choo in May: .240 .411 .469 => Choo was on fire?
    Votto in May: .388 .492 .631 => Votto was not?

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Let's face it, you mis-hit the bun with the mustard squirter, no one will really care.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Here's the thing about Choo. He's not a platoon player. Don't care about his splits, he plays everyday. And he's not going to sign with a team that makes him a platoon partner.

    So while he fits the mold of one, he isn't one and won't be one anytime soon.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I understand with Choo's numbers he would never be played as if he were a platoon player. But his actual production shows that he really is.

    Basically, although Choo plays against LHPs, it is worse than having a league minimum right handed hitting CFer up there. He is that bad against LHPs. .544 OPS.

    .544 OPS

    .544 OPS

    Just think about that number for a minute.
    You cant judge a player by one number. It is possible to have a .500 OBP and a .544 OPS. Would you not play that player? Again his OBP against lefties would be second on the team. That is valuable despite not hitting for power.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    Wow, you are so serious person.
    And you are lying.
    Choo in May: .240 .411 .469 => Choo was on fire?
    Votto in May: .388 .492 .631 => Votto was not?
    Dude... Enough with the insults already. Implying people are dumb and calling them liars is not a way to build credibility, nor is it appropriate.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    Wow, you are so serious person.
    And you are lying.
    Choo in May: .240 .411 .469 => Choo was on fire?
    Votto in May: .388 .492 .631 => Votto was not?
    I am so serious person? haha

    I am not lying. my memory served me wrong, but I was not lying.

    Choo was hot in April and cooled down in May

    Votto was cold (for him) in April and heated up in May

    Either way - how does a player being modest and saying one of his teamates is the best player on the team prove anything whatsoever?

    Serious question: Are you Korean?

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    Here's the thing about Choo. He's not a platoon player. Don't care about his splits, he plays everyday. And he's not going to sign with a team that makes him a platoon partner.

    So while he fits the mold of one, he isn't one and won't be one anytime soon.
    To expand, his career numbers are not screaming platoon, they show that he is merely average against lefties and makes his money bashing righties. This season, not sure where the stated OPS numbers of .544 are coming from, I see a .605 on bref.com, and over .700 against lefty starters. It looks like he is doing nothing against lefty relievers, but serviceable against lefty starters.

    Perhaps this whole "platoon" idea is a perpetuated myth by overreading/misreading splits, when he is really an everyday player who will sit some against some lefties. Seriously, why would you platoon a guy who's OBP is only 4 points lower against lefties than righties?
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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I understand with Choo's numbers he would never be played as if he were a platoon player. But his actual production shows that he really is.

    Basically, although Choo plays against LHPs, it is worse than having a league minimum right handed hitting CFer up there. He is that bad against LHPs. .544 OPS.

    .544 OPS

    .544 OPS

    Just think about that number for a minute.
    Have you ever seen a platoon player whose OPS vs R is 1.025(.931 in career)?


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