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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    That would suck since the Cubs will have a protected pick. And since Choo would be a Cub.

    They are only 3 games below a non-protected pick, so that ship hasn't sailed yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabo Fan View Post
    How much is too much for Choo? I read a report last week that suggested the bidding starts at 4 years and $60 million. I would think that someone would go to 5 years (hopefully not the Reds) but if they make him a qualifying offer it could deflate the bidding a bit and maybe that's a reasonable amount. Choo in CF for one more year and then a move to LF in 2015 seems pretty good to me. Something to think about but I'd definitely make a qualifying offer and see what happens.
    I saw this offer too and was surprised, and am a bit skeptical, that a 31 year old coming off the kind of season he's having would seek only a 4 year deal. I'd think he'd be looking for a minimum of 6.

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    I would offer Choo 6 years/100 million. Not a penny more. If he thinks he'll get more it'll be from a second division franchise. He won't find a better role fit than here.

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    Ya, pretty shocked at the numbers being thrown around. I thought he was a lock to get way more. Way lesser players than him have been given over 100M without a second thought.

    ETA: if 4/60 is even close to the range we're talking, it's a no-brainer to sign him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I would think that the Ms would be all over Choo (and any other outfielder with a pulse) this off season.
    I predict the Mariners sign Ellsbury. He is from the area, the Red Sox will make him a qualifying offer, and Boras will be looking for team most willing to over pay for his client.
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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by herbdizzle View Post
    I would offer Choo 6 years/100 million. Not a penny more. If he thinks he'll get more it'll be from a second division franchise. He won't find a better role fit than here.
    I think this is way too much personally. If it goes over 4 years 60 mill I would bow out if I were the Reds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bellhead View Post
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/0...edium=facebook

    If we make a qualifying offer, how does this effect his market value..

    A lot of variables in this as it's one of the first times a top player is available during free agency, and what the cost of loosing a first round pick will do to his market value?
    Below are top 6 free agent hitters' career stats.
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    Name              OPS   OPS+  wOBA   wRC+
    Shin-Soo Choo    .850   132   .372   133
    Robinson Cano    .858   125   .367   126 
    Brian McCann     .828   118   .355   118
    Hunter Pence     .808   117   .350   117
    Nelson Cruz      .824   114   .353   114
    Jacoby Ellsbury  .789   108   .346   109
    The cost of loosing a first round pick will do virtually nothing.

    *Andre Ethier(.830OPS, 123OPS+, .358wOBA ,123wRC+) => 6 yrs/$95.95M (12-17) & 18 vesting option

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    I predict the Mariners sign Ellsbury. He is from the area, the Red Sox will make him a qualifying offer, and Boras will be looking for team most willing to over pay for his client.
    You're absolutely right. They'll target any good outfielder. I wouldn't be shocked if they don't go after Cano too.
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    Choo is a very important sign for the Reds this offseason. I think they'll make a strong push for him.
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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    I'm kind of torn on Choo. Love him. Not so much in CF. And I'm really afraid of the L/R splits. I certainly would'nt be throwing $12 mil plus at him. And I know, someone will.

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    Personally, I'd be very disappointed to lose Choo, especially to the Cubs. I liked Choo when he was with Cleveland and I was shocked that the Indians would trade him but I was so happy to have acquired him. Now, after the way he's played, it would certainly hurt the Reds to lose him. I'm not sold on Hamilton being ready in the Spring and I'm certainly not sold on Ludwig returning to 'form'. Waiting for a draft pick for several years to be MLB ready doesn't do a lot for me either.

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    I think the Reds would be nuts to hand a platoon player on the wrong side of 30 that kind of money.
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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    I think the Reds would be nuts to hand a platoon player on the wrong side of 30 that kind of money.
    Agree, but on the other hand, that might be the cost for not having any help in the foreseeable future from the farm system.

    If not Choo, then they will need to sign someone.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    You don't make up for a bit of a depleted farm system by signing guys to bad contracts unless you want to become the Angels.

    The Reds won 97 games with Drew Stubbs in CF last year. Choo was the perfect addition to this team, but they'll be okay without him.
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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    Agree, but on the other hand, that might be the cost for not having any help in the foreseeable future from the farm system.

    If not Choo, then they will need to sign someone.
    Trade for a cheap, serviceable CFer until Hamilton is ready then. Paging Lyonis Martin.


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