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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    To expand, his career numbers are not screaming platoon, they show that he is merely average against lefties and makes his money bashing righties. This season, not sure where the stated OPS numbers of .544 are coming from, I see a .605 on bref.com, and over .700 against lefty starters. It looks like he is doing nothing against lefty relievers, but serviceable against lefty starters.

    Perhaps this whole "platoon" idea is a perpetuated myth by overreading/misreading splits, when he is really an everyday player who will sit some against some lefties. Seriously, why would you platoon a guy who's OBP is only 4 points lower against lefties than righties?
    I am getting them from baseball-reference. as LHB vs LHP = .544 OPS.

    I understand Choo is not a platoon player, he is way to good on one side of the plate, but this season he has been really bad against LHPs. It is a simple fact.

    I LOVE CHOO - but he stinks against lefties.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    Have you ever seen a platoon player whose OPS vs R is 1.025(.931 in career)?
    I have no idea how to look that up. I understand Choo is not literally a platoon player, but his numbers show that he is very bad against LHPs. That is the original point. Reds44 would not want to give $100 million and 6 years for a guy that only can hit right handed pitchers and is over 30 years old. This is not rocket science.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I am so serious person? haha

    I am not lying. my memory served me wrong, but I was not lying.

    Choo was hot in April and cooled down in May

    Votto was cold (for him) in April and heated up in May

    Either way - how does a player being modest and saying one of his teamates is the best player on the team prove anything whatsoever?

    Serious question: Are you Korean?
    South Korean?
    By the way, why ask a question like that?

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I am getting them from baseball-reference. as LHB vs LHP = .544 OPS.

    I understand Choo is not a platoon player, he is way to good on one side of the plate, but this season he has been really bad against LHPs. It is a simple fact.

    I LOVE CHOO - but he stinks against lefties.
    Oops, I was looking at 2012. Which tells me that he this year is not his norm, so perhaps I wouldn't conclude "stinks against lefties" based on limited data from part of one season.
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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    South Korean?
    By the way, why ask a question like that?
    Yes, I meant South Korean.

    I am just curious. You joined redszone this year, there is a trend of you defending Choo and saying how much better than Bruce he is, you have poor grammar which makes me think English is not your first language, etc.

    I am not asking because I see it as a negative. I am simply curious, would think it is cool if I am talking about baseball with someone in/from South Korea.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    Yes, I'm smart.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Yes, I meant South Korean.

    I am just curious. You joined redszone this year, there is a trend of you defending Choo and saying how much better than Bruce he is, you have poor grammar which makes me think English is not your first language, etc.

    I am not asking because I see it as a negative. I am simply curious, would think it is cool if I am talking about baseball with someone in/from South Korea.
    Defending?
    That Choo is a very good player and that he is a better player than Bruce is a fact.
    Yes, I have bad grammar and I'm North Korean.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Swagger View Post
    Choo will be a Red in 2014. Just watch. The Reds are getting a HUGE TV deal. We have the money. They cannot count on Ludwick next year so it would be wise to extend Choo and call up Hamilton. Our line up would be pretty filthy and balanced.

    Choo- LF
    B Hamilton- CF
    Votto- 1B
    Mesoraco- C
    Bruce- RF
    Phillips- 2B
    Frazier- 3B
    Cozart- SS

    Depends on Mesoraco's development, he could be the RH # 4 we need. That way BP can be moved to the 6 hole. If not, then Phillips is the clean up hitter and Mes hits 6th.

    This franchise needs a rapidly moving 3B or SS to pressure Frazier and Cozart. That or we acquire one in a trade involving a SP
    Exactly what I've been saying/thinking too. Only difference...I don't think Hamilton's ready...and I'm not sure he ever really will be. I hope he will, but his performance in AAA has certainly raised some doubts in my mind.
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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    That Choo is a very good player and that he is a better player than Bruce is a fact.
    I disagree this is a fact. Bruce is much better defensively, elite at his position. Choo is terrible on defense, sorry, but its true. Choo is certainly better at getting on base, and it is a huge weapon in front of Votto, but Bruce has quite a bit more power.

    Bruce

    Offense:
    .808 OPS
    59 XBH

    Defense:
    14 DRS
    4.0 UZR/150

    Choo

    Offense:
    .870 OPS
    45 XBH

    Defense:
    -12 DRS
    -18.8 UZR/150


    To me the defense evens them out a bit. It is not Choo's fault he is playing the wrong position, but in this particular season his well below average play on defense in CF does is not close to Bruce's well above average play in RF.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    I think the Reds would be nuts to hand a platoon player on the wrong side of 30 that kind of money.
    If his platoon split was that he struggled against RHP...I might agree with this. But the vast majority of pitchers in the bigs are RH, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    If his platoon split was that he struggled against RHP...I might agree with this. But the vast majority of pitchers in the bigs are RH, no?
    I believe he was responding to the $100 million contract. I think that would severly handcuff the Reds and is too much to give a great OBP player that is bad against lefties and bad on defense.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I disagree this is a fact. Bruce is much better defensively, elite at his position. Choo is terrible on defense, sorry, but its true. Choo is certainly better at getting on base, and it is a huge weapon in front of Votto, but Bruce has quite a bit more power.

    Bruce

    Offense:
    .808 OPS
    59 XBH

    Defense:
    14 DRS
    4.0 UZR/150

    Choo

    Offense:
    .870 OPS
    45 XBH

    Defense:
    -12 DRS
    -18.8 UZR/150


    To me the defense evens them out a bit. It is not Choo's fault he is playing the wrong position, but in this particular season his well below average play on defense in CF does is not close to Bruce's well above average play in RF.
    Think as you please.
    But, Votto doesn't think like that and most of the people will not think like that.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I believe he was responding to the $100 million contract. I think that would severly handcuff the Reds and is too much to give a great OBP player that is bad against lefties and bad on defense.
    He's bad against lefties this season. He's sub-par normally. Not horrific. And defensively...he will NOT be bad on defense as a corner OF'er IMO.
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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    Think as you please.
    But, Votto doesn't think like that and most of the people will not think like that.
    Which point are you referring to? Where I showed Bruce has superior power or defense?

    Choo is better at getting on base, doesn't mean he is a better player. It means he is better at getting on base. Bruce is better at hitting for power and defense. I think they are pretty equal.

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    Re: Cubs expected to pursue CHOO..

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Which point are you referring to? Where I showed Bruce has superior power or defense?

    Choo is better at getting on base, doesn't mean he is a better player. It means he is better at getting on base. Bruce is better at hitting for power and defense. I think they are pretty equal.
    Obviously, you are a big fan of Bruce. You give too much weight to the defense.
    Anyway, Here is a question.
    XBHs are included in OPS. WHY do you show XBH separately?


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