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    Re: Let's put the walk issue to rest


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    Re: Let's put the walk issue to rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm Chortleton View Post
    Love that sign. Everybody knows a lead off walk is twice as likely to score than a lead off double.
    Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted.

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    Re: Let's put the walk issue to rest

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    Quick eval shows Pittsburgh is the true outlier and really seems to somehow escape all the walks it surrenders.

    Seems like they get around it with the low slugging percentage and not giving up hits, especially doubles and homers. They have only surrendered 18 fewer hits than the Reds but have given up 84 fewer extra base hits.
    Great stuff here!

    I think the Pirates are gonna level out, which is a possible reason Cards/Reds are catching up to them.

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    Re: Let's put the walk issue to rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajinous View Post
    Great stuff here!

    I think the Pirates are gonna level out, which is a possible reason Cards/Reds are catching up to them.
    When is the leveling out going to start? I've been waiting.

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    Re: Let's put the walk issue to rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    This is from baseball-reference.com and sorted by number of walks. The teams that are bolded are the teams that currently have above .500 records. Is it any coincidence that the teams that are winning are also walking the most?

    Note: this is only for this year. I haven't looked at any other year yet.

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    Tm       R/G    G    PA    AB    R  RBI   BB    SO  OBP  SLG  OPS OPS+
    CIN     4.31  128  4947  4325  552  525  457  1000 .325 .389 .714   92
    ATL     4.45  127  4861  4308  565  538  434  1086 .325 .410 .735   99
    NYM     4.03  125  4861  4355  504  482  407  1073 .309 .377 .686   93
    ARI     4.26  126  4910  4411  537  505  391   906 .321 .394 .715   96
    LAD     4.09  127  4839  4316  519  496  379   886 .331 .396 .726  104
    STL     4.88  127  4875  4374  620  592  374   868 .334 .408 .742  106
    PIT     3.94  127  4846  4327  500  476  373  1085 .313 .392 .705   99
    LgAvg   4.04  127  4820  4330  513  487  368   960 .315 .390 .705   94
    SDP     3.84  127  4798  4320  488  455  361  1005 .309 .381 .690   98
    WSN     3.83  127  4725  4253  487  458  359   956 .307 .390 .697   91
    SFG     3.80  127  4832  4354  483  454  355   819 .316 .375 .692  101
    COL     4.34  129  4888  4425  560  534  354   960 .321 .417 .739   91
    CHC     3.91  127  4787  4340  496  473  346   963 .301 .399 .700   91
    MIA     3.23  126  4675  4243  407  383  318   921 .291 .333 .624   71
    PHI     3.75  127  4697  4275  476  450  307   935 .303 .390 .694   90
    MIL     3.95  127  4760  4324  502  479  305   937 .310 .403 .712   93
    That's just a silly conclusion.

    Why ARE the Mets there?

    With your conclusion, then ERA is the only stat we need to define a team's success, because the best teams have the best ERA's without any New York Mets included to ask "Why are the Mets there?", or for that matter, "Why is Arizona there?", or "Why is Cincinnati on top when they are the 2nd Wild Card team?, and only considered for the playoffs because Major League Baseball is turning into Major League Hockey, where soon, half the teams get to be involved in the playoff party.


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    In Team ERA, it's kind enough to separate your three Division Winners 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, followed by your two Wild-Card teams. Could anything be more conclusive? ERA must be then the end-all-be-all of baseball statistics. Why bother even using any others?
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    Re: Let's put the walk issue to rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    That's just a silly conclusion.

    Why ARE the Mets there?

    With your conclusion, then ERA is the only stat we need to define a team's success, because the best teams have the best ERA's without any New York Mets included to ask "Why are the Mets there?"


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    What is the rationale for the jump from this thread topic to ERA?

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    Re: Let's put the walk issue to rest

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    What is the rationale for the jump from this thread topic to ERA?
    It was pretty obvious:

    To show how silly it is to draw a conclusion from TEAM Walks to wins in a season, when TEAM ERA is 50 times more conclusive by not including the REDS (5th best record in the NL) at the top, and the METS and the D-Backs in the Top-4 (which makes it nothing noteworthy anyway). Think about how much ERA is bashed around here for being inconclusive (there's yet another thread talking about how unreliable it is), yet there it is staring everyone in the face.

    All 3 Division winners are 1-2-3 in team ERA, followed distinctly by the two Wild-Card teams,...followed distinctly by "season average" where the rest of the league falls behind.

    If team ERA is silly, as proclaimed for decades here at REDSZONE, then Team Walks is 50 times more silly to draw conclusions towards team wins.

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    Re: Let's put the walk issue to rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    It was pretty obvious:

    To show how silly it is to draw a conclusion from TEAM Walks to wins in a season, when TEAM ERA is 50 times more conclusive by not including the REDS (5th best record in the NL) at the top, and the METS and the D-Backs in the Top-4 (which makes it nothing noteworthy anyway). Think about how much ERA is bashed around here for being inconclusive (there's yet another thread talking about how unreliable it is), yet there it is staring everyone in the face.

    All 3 Division winners are 1-2-3 in team ERA, followed distinctly by the two Wild-Card teams,...followed distinctly by "season average" where the rest of the league falls behind.

    If team ERA is silly, as proclaimed for decades here at REDSZONE, then Team Walks is 50 times more silly to draw conclusions towards team wins.
    I missed the part where people were bashing ERA as a team stat. Obviously there would be some correlation between how many earned runs a team gives up and how many wins it has. It's not a very good predictor for individual performance though.

    But that's not what we're talking about here, is it?

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    Re: Let's put the walk issue to rest

    I'm very surprised the Reds have 77 QS and the Pirates only 63 QS. The Pirates 2.4 K/BB ratio shows how lucky they've been.

    Never thought I'd see the day the Reds lead in all of K/9, K/BB and WHIP -- and it not being a surprise.


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