Joey Votto needs one of these ..

[Larry Schuler]

He needs a one way ticket to palookaville.

[Raisor]

He needs a one way ticket to palookaville.

Is that near Calgary?

[OC_Red]

I've relaxed a little I realize now its not his playing, it's his attitude. The Cardinals are dangerous but right now Votto is worse, dangerous and foolish. He may not like his teammates, they may not like him but who's side is he on?

Captain Votto: "What's the Sarcasm meter read out on this thing?"

Ensign Baker: "It's beyond anything we've ever seen!"

Captain Votto: "Shields up! Prepare to evacuate!"

*Read in the style of a Gene Roddenberry Star Trek episode*

Update: I really hope that Razor is the sarcastic type...I *think* he is based on my years of lurking on this board, but I get users mixed up sometimes...

[BluegrassRedleg]

The way he played the ball there was no chance. Had he known how many outs there were and charged the ball accordingly, I think there is a good chance for an out at home. Without a wide camera angle showing most of the field, we'll never know.

Exactly. Especially on a force out.

[OC_Red]

Is that near Calgary?

I think it's near Huntsville in Alabama...but Canada is similar so I can see where you'd think that.

[Razor Shines]

Exactly. Especially on a force out.

No not exactly. He was playing well behind the bag on a some what slow bouncing ball. That runner on third is off at the crack of the bat. There is no way that Votto would have had a play at the plate, no matter how he charged it. If they were gonna make a play at the plate on a ball hit to first then the Reds should have had him playing in front of the bag.

Position Votto behind the bag is conceding the run on a ball hit to first.

[Razor Shines]

Captain Votto: "What's the Sarcasm meter read out on this thing?"

Ensign Baker: "It's beyond anything we've ever seen!"

Captain Votto: "Shields up! Prepare to evacuate!"

*Read in the style of a Gene Roddenberry Star Trek episode*

Update: I really hope that Razor is the sarcastic type...I *think* he is based on my years of lurking on this board, but I get users mixed up sometimes...

Well I don't normally quote Top Gun when I'm serious.

[Raisor]

Negative Ghost Rider, the pattern is full

[OC_Red]

Well I don't normally quote Top Gun when I'm serious.

Hah! Sorry, it's been a long time since I've seen that one. Now I must go watch it...perhaps around 5:10 PST tonight...

[Norm Chortleton]

No not exactly. He was playing well behind the bag on a some what slow bouncing ball. That runner on third is off at the crack of the bat. There is no way that Votto would have had a play at the plate, no matter how he charged it. If they were gonna make a play at the plate on a ball hit to first then the Reds should have had him playing in front of the bag.

Position Votto behind the bag is conceding the run on a ball hit to first.

I just watched the replay not long ago on MLB Network highlights. Votto caught the ball 5 feet behind the bag. IMO, he could have caught the ball even with the bag had he been charging harder.

The question is where was Freese while this is going on? No one knows. If he was closer than 15-18 feet to home, he likely scores. If not, there would have been a play. I would think a thrown ball from 80-85 feet beats a runner from 18 feet away every time.

[Tom Servo]

The run was going to score, it's really not worthy of Zapruder-esque analysis.

[Chip R]

Maybe getting rid of him is a little harsh but honestly I don't want to see Votto on the field the rest of the season. He's everyone's problem. Everytime he goes out onto the field he's unsafe. I don't like him because he's dangerous.

He is the danger.

[Roy Tucker]

I'd rathered Votto charge the ball with his head up actively watching Freese and eliminate any shred of doubt about him scoring. But he didn't and that leaves it open to pixel by pixel analysis and 18 billionn potshots by the unwashed masses. Error of commision vs. error of omission.

I'm sure he feels bad and I'm sure he's embarassed. Learn from your mistake, make this a positive turning point, and just beat the ever luvin' snot out of the Redbirds tonight.

[Rantly]

My question is, was Votto playing 5 feet behind the bag because he thought there were 2 out? Isn't it common for the middle infielders to play double play depth and the corner men playing even to the bag in that situation. I can't believe they really wanted to concede a run in that situation leaving runners at 2nd and 3rd putting the go ahead run in scoring position.

[klw]

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