Turn Off Ads?
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 18

Thread: SI: The Swing

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Be the ball Roy Tucker's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    Mason, OH
    Posts
    11,839

    SI: The Swing

    Really enjoyed this article from Sports Illustrated by Tom Verducci:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...8406/index.htm

    Hitting a baseball is hard enough on its most basic level. A 90-mph fastball will get to home plate in 400 milliseconds, but the hitter needs 200 of those to see the ball, send the image to the brain and process its speed, spin and location. The swing itself takes about 150 milliseconds—literally, the blink of an eye. That leaves a scant 50 milliseconds to decide whether to swing and, if so, on what path.

    The goal is to connect a 2¼-inch-diameter bat barrel squarely with a three-inch-diameter baseball—without actually being able to see the ball right before contact. The eye can't follow an object moving that fast that close, so a hitter cannot track the pitch in its last five feet before it reaches the plate. Here's what that means: The batter loses sight of the baseball just when the pitcher wants the pitch to break off its path.

    Pay attention to the open sky

  2. Likes:

    Always Red (08-29-2013), camisadelgolf (08-30-2013), GIK (08-30-2013), PepperJack (08-29-2013), remdog (08-29-2013), SporkLover (08-30-2013)

  3. #2
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Newport Beach, CA
    Posts
    8,066

    Re: SI: The Swing

    As Ted Williams (possibly/probably) the greatest pure hitter of all time said. "The hardest thing to do in sports is to hit a 'round ball' with a 'round bat', 'squarely.'

    Rem
    Last edited by remdog; 08-29-2013 at 10:42 PM.
    "For Reds fans, by Reds fans" Learn it, love it, live it.

  4. Likes:

    *BaseClogger* (09-01-2013), JB12 (08-30-2013)

  5. #3
    Danger is my business! oneupper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Back in Florida
    Posts
    8,127

    Re: SI: The Swing

    Quote Originally Posted by remdog View Post
    As Ted Williams (possibly/probably) the greatest pure hitter of all time said. "The hardest thing to do in sports is to hit a 'round ball' with a 'round bat', 'squarely.'

    Rem
    It's a round ball and a round bat, and you got to hit it square.

    -Pete Rose


    Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...x0vgdeoRcQB.99
    "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."

    http://dalmady.blogspot.com

  6. Likes:

    remdog (08-30-2013)

  7. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Braintree, MA
    Posts
    2,071

    Re: SI: The Swing

    Quote Originally Posted by remdog View Post
    As Ted Williams (possibly/probably) the greatest pure hitter of all time said. "The hardest thing to do in sports is to hit a 'round ball' with a 'round bat', 'squarely.'

    Rem
    Didn't Ted also say something along the lines of "Maybe human eyes cannot see the ball hit the bat, but mine can"?

  8. #5
    It's showtime! RedEye's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    7,706

    Re: SI: The Swing

    Baseball is hard. We do well to remind ourselves of that, no matter how many times we hear it. Axioms do exist for a reason. Thanks for the link.

  9. #6
    Matt's Dad RANDY IN INDY's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Brownsburg, Indiana
    Posts
    15,245

    Re: SI: The Swing

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Baseball is hard. We do well to remind ourselves of that, no matter how many times we hear it. Axioms do exist for a reason. Thanks for the link.
    Talent is God Given: be humble.
    Fame is man given: be thankful.
    Conceit is self given: be careful.

    John Wooden

  10. Likes:

    RedEye (09-09-2013)

  11. #7
    First Time Caller SunDeck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2000
    Posts
    5,350

    Re: SI: The Swing

    Baseball is hard; by the time I was about 14 the only way I could get on base was to get hit. Baseballs ARE hard.
    Next Reds manager, second shooter. --Confirmed on Redszone.

  12. Likes:

    cincinnati chili (09-01-2013), CySeymour (08-30-2013), kbrake (08-30-2013), RadfordVA (08-30-2013), RedEye (08-30-2013)

  13. #8
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    532

    Re: SI: The Swing

    Roy great link!

    I'll add one that I enjoyed on this subject from early July.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/page/...ine?src=mobile

    Not as in depth, but at a very basic level outlines identifying the pitch and the reaction time batters have. Does a pretty good job of outlining the decision to swing or not.

  14. #9
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    33,804

    Re: SI: The Swing

    Seeing the name of this topic led me to unbelievable disappointment when I found out this wasn't an article about Ken Griffey Jr's swing.

  15. Likes:

    *BaseClogger* (09-01-2013), BRM13 (09-02-2013), dubc47834 (08-30-2013), PepperJack (09-01-2013), wpenn4 (08-30-2013)

  16. #10
    First Time Caller SunDeck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2000
    Posts
    5,350

    Re: SI: The Swing

    Ted Williams and Pete Rose also both said that they could tell a slider because it had a red dot on it. Many people scoffed, but when high speed photography came along, guess what they saw? A red dot on the slider. I tend to think hitting a baseball well is a rare fluke, a gift of good hands, eyes and hips that only comes along once in a while for a select few. I'm sure much of it is teachable, but there is a separation between those who have it and those who don't.

    I can remember clearly the day I realized I just didn't have it, watching an overweight old guy spray balls around the 90mph batting cage with an easy, graceful motion that made my swing look like a toddler swatting at flies with a yard stick. Two weeks later I was signed up for Spring soccer.
    Next Reds manager, second shooter. --Confirmed on Redszone.

  17. Likes:

    BillDoran (09-01-2013), remdog (09-01-2013)

  18. #11
    breath westofyou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    PDX
    Posts
    41,630

    Re: SI: The Swing

    Quote Originally Posted by SunDeck View Post
    Ted Williams and Pete Rose also both said that they could tell a slider because it had a red dot on it. Many people scoffed, but when high speed photography came along, guess what they saw? A red dot on the slider. I tend to think hitting a baseball well is a rare fluke, a gift of good hands, eyes and hips that only comes along once in a while for a select few. I'm sure much of it is teachable, but there is a separation between those who have it and those who don't.

    I can remember clearly the day I realized I just didn't have it, watching an overweight old guy spray balls around the 90mph batting cage with an easy, graceful motion that made my swing look like a toddler swatting at flies with a yard stick. Two weeks later I was signed up for Spring soccer.
    Yeah it's an art for sure... hence the swingmaster

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDMPQH_QEeQ

  19. Likes:

    BillDoran (09-01-2013)

  20. #12
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Newport Beach, CA
    Posts
    8,066

    Re: SI: The Swing

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Yeah it's an art for sure... hence the swingmaster

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDMPQH_QEeQ
    I take it you aren't referring to Jacoby.

    Rem
    "For Reds fans, by Reds fans" Learn it, love it, live it.

  21. #13
    Matt's Dad RANDY IN INDY's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Brownsburg, Indiana
    Posts
    15,245

    Re: SI: The Swing

    Could always see the red dot on sliders and curveballs.
    Talent is God Given: be humble.
    Fame is man given: be thankful.
    Conceit is self given: be careful.

    John Wooden

  22. #14
    First Time Caller SunDeck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2000
    Posts
    5,350

    Re: SI: The Swing

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    Could always see the red dot on sliders and curveballs.
    Exactly, I relied on the delivery, but of course the older we got the better kids could mask the pitches and that was it for me.
    Next Reds manager, second shooter. --Confirmed on Redszone.

  23. #15
    post hype sleeper cincinnati chili's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    Denver
    Posts
    10,733

    Re: SI: The Swing

    I haven't read the author's book but this was a great interview. The relevant portion is toward the beginning. Basically, the research discussed shows that at the major league level, good hitting has very little to do with quick reflexes but has almost everything to do with good eyesight and the ability to pick up cues from the pitcher, sometimes subconsciously. For this reason, Albert Pujols was completely overmatched when he tried to hit a softball thrown by Jenny Finch --- he had no idea what cues to look for from someone throwing a large ball underhand from only 48' away:

    http://www.npr.org/2013/08/05/209160...ve-sports-gene
    How, then, are those people of the future—who are taking steroids every day—going to look back on baseball players who used steroids? They're going to look back on them as pioneers. They're going to look back at it and say "So what?" - Bill James, Cooperstown and the 'Roids

  24. Likes:

    Fil3232 (09-01-2013), remdog (09-01-2013)


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25