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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I think the Reds need to consider CF a spot that they not only need a stopgap for a year, but maybe two or three until Ervin is ready. Hamilton may step-up, but his brand of weak offense supplemented by speed is usually a longer shot to pan out than a player who is based upon better hitting skills (getting on base and having extra base power).

    Just don't know if they have the money to get a guy like that.
    I think this analysis underrates Hamilton's ability considerably. He isn't just some no-hit player with good speed. This guys has a rare talent.

    And if you look at the Reds, they sorely need that talent. Team is painfully slow this season and it is the major cause of all these aggressive baserunning plays that fail.

    Hamilton will be the CF next year, if not out of the box, then as soon as he has a decent streak at AAA. The Reds will have another CFer, or will try Heisey there, but Hamilton is coming to Cincy. They aren't investing in a three year CFer in the market.

    At most, the Reds will get a guy (maybe Choo himself) slated for LF. More likely, just a one-year CFer who can share the position with Hamilton when BH is called up.

    As for the offense generally, the Reds will obviously have to make some other changes. 3B, SS, one catching spot, all are fair game for more offense.
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    Re: Who plays CF in 2014?

    Norichika Aoki is a CF forced to play RF in Milwaukee. Because Milwaukee already has maybe the best defensive CF in baseball, Aoki really doesn't fit well there. Trading within the division may be tougher, but I think Aoki is a good (and cheap) option that Milwaukee would move for a piece that better fits a need.

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    .286/.406/.383/.789 Billy Hamilton, AA age 21
    .335/.402/.386/.788 Willy Taveras, AA, Age 22
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    .286/.406/.383/.789 Billy Hamilton, AA age 21
    .335/.402/.386/.788 Willy Taveras, AA, Age 22
    And Wily broke the all-time stolen base record how many times?

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    And Wily broke the all-time stolen base record how many times?
    The same amount of times Billy Hamilton has. Zero. Rickey holds the record. He is the greatest of all time (unless we want to count 1800's records).

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    Re: Who plays CF in 2014?

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    .286/.406/.383/.789 Billy Hamilton, AA age 21
    .335/.402/.386/.788 Willy Taveras, AA, Age 22
    Where the comparison fails is that Willy Taveras never existed, and he certainly never played for the Reds, no matter what old box scores say to the contrary.

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    Re: Who plays CF in 2014?

    Someone said Billy Hamilton might not be anything more than Otis Nixon.....I'll take than over his even faster brother Donell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    The same amount of times Billy Hamilton has. Zero. Rickey holds the record. He is the greatest of all time (unless we want to count 1800's records).
    You know I meant for a season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    You know I meant for a season.
    I know. And last I checked no one really cared much about minor league baseball records. In fact, I am betting aside from the minor league steals record, no one knows a single other record in the minor leagues. We only know this one because our guy did it and recently.

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    Re: Who plays CF in 2014?

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    .286/.406/.383/.789 Billy Hamilton, AA age 21
    .335/.402/.386/.788 Willy Taveras, AA, Age 22
    Brett Gardner A+\AA age 22 .298/.395/.370/.764

    We can exchange one season minor league stats of dozens of players and it will mean nothing.

    I know we all have nightmares about Taveras as a Red, but his first three years, he was a near league average CF. it wasn't until his fifth year, his first year as a Red, before the league figured him out and he stunk.

    I'll gladly take three years of league average CF from Hamiton and then have him turn into a pumpkin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I know. And last I checked no one really cared much about minor league baseball records. In fact, I am betting aside from the minor league steals record, no one knows a single other record in the minor leagues. We only know this one because our guy did it and recently.
    I know Crash Davis has the minor league HR record
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    Re: Who plays CF in 2014?

    Before the trade deadline this year, Chris Denorfia was mentioned as a possible trade candidate. He makes 2.2M next year, and with a .340 career OBP, he could be relatively productive. Also, trading with the Padres has worked out well before.
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    Re: Who plays CF in 2014?

    I'd offer a minor league deal to Grady Sizemore & try to sign Cory Hart to a one year deal.. I understand those are two injuries waiting to happen but if this team is so strapped for money I can't see them resigning Choo, Ellsbury, Granderson, Pence, Or Cruz. I list some of the other OFers because I still think Bruce is our best CFer.

    BHam isn't quite ready yet and his call up has been stated that its merely for speed on the bases as a pinch runner. Not quite a lot of faith in the speedster. Instead of batting practice.. I'd be having him taking bunting practice. Might be the only way for him to get ABs this season.

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    I'd offer a minor league deal to Grady Sizemore & try to sign Cory Hart to a one year deal.. I understand those are two injuries waiting to happen but if this team is so strapped for money I can't see them resigning Choo, Ellsbury, Granderson, Pence, Or Cruz. I list some of the other OFers because I still think Bruce is our best CFer.

    BHam isn't quite ready yet and his call up has been stated that its merely for speed on the bases as a pinch runner. Not quite a lot of faith in the speedster. Instead of batting practice.. I'd be having him taking bunting practice. Might be the only way for him to get ABs this season.
    The last time Grady was good Jack Wilson was a good 2nd baseman for the Pirates.

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    I would sign up for Billy being Otis Nixon right now. I don't think his bat will ever be much at the big league level. But his wheels will win games for us.
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