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    Re: ESPN futures rankings

    I'm not an insider so I can't comment. Where do the Reds rank?

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    Re: ESPN futures rankings

    Insider - I know this is sensitive material but can you please at least show the rankings Cinci received?

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    Bowden, Onley and Keith Law rank Cincy's future as being 17th out of 30 teams. They give us 21, 12, 12, 13 and 12 points out of 30. Categories being Majors/Minors/Finance/Management/Mobility. They highlight long term contracts and future free agents as a problem. Also mentioin Bham and Yorman.
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    Re: ESPN futures rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    Bowden, Onley and Keith Law rank Cincy's future as being 17th out of 30 teams. They rate us 21, 12, 12, 13 and 12 out of 30. Categories being Majors/Minors/Finance/Management/Mobility. They highlight long term contracts and future free agents as a problem. Also mentioin Bham and Yorman.
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    Re: ESPN futures rankings

    Lance McAlister ‏@LanceMcAlister 1h
    ESPN Insider: Set for sustained success next 5 years: 1. Cards, 6. Cubs, 7. Pirates, 17. Reds

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    Re: ESPN futures rankings

    21st in majors? that doesn't really make sense.

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    Re: ESPN futures rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    21st in majors? that doesn't really make sense.
    No, that's 9th. 21 points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    No, that's 9th. 21 points.
    Oh, okay. I completely misunderstood what those numbers meant.

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    Re: ESPN futures rankings

    Looks like all that is holding the Reds back form a higher ranking is the first category -- Majors -- where they are at #21. Otherwise all of these are 12 or 13. Can anyone comment on why they justify such a low ranking? Is it because of the relatively large financial commitments that the club has to a few players? I can't imagine it would be due to overall talent, which seems pretty comparable with the elite of the NL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Looks like all that is holding the Reds back form a higher ranking is the first category -- Majors -- where they are at #21. Otherwise all of these are 12 or 13. Can anyone comment on why they justify such a low ranking? Is it because of the relatively large financial commitments that the club has to a few players? I can't imagine it would be due to overall talent, which seems pretty comparable with the elite of the NL.
    See above. 21 pts out of 30, means ranked 9th today out of 30.
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    Re: ESPN futures rankings

    Is this the same Cubs' team that thought it was a good idea to lock up Starlin Castro to a big contract? I'm just not seeing it.

    Oh, no doubt Theo will have the organization improved; and the cupboard is a lot less bare than it was when he arrived. That said, I simply don't see the love for that organization. It's still got a ton of holes now and in the immediate future.
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    Re: ESPN futures rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    Is this the same Cubs' team that thought it was a good idea to lock up Starlin Castro to a big contract? I'm just not seeing it.

    Oh, no doubt Theo will have the organization improved; and the cupboard is a lot less bare than it was when he arrived. That said, I simply don't see the love for that organization. It's still got a ton of holes now and in the immediate future.
    The thing about prospects is that they realistically have no value outside of trade chips until they get on the field and produce. Two years ago, many would have had you believe Rizzo/Castro were destined to be an elite middle of the lineup tandem for a decade. Look at them now. Sure Rizzo's only 24, and he has a fairly low Babip, but the .230 BA and slightly increased K rate indicate pitchers have adjusted some.

    Either way, any team whose futures projection is based largely on what's not already on their roster seems shortsighted to me.
    (Referring to Jack Hannahan signing with a Korean team)
    Since there are no teams on the moon, I guess South Korea's far enough from Cincinnati to satisfy me.
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    Re: ESPN futures rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by OGB View Post
    The thing about prospects is that they realistically have no value outside of trade chips until they get on the field and produce. Two years ago, many would have had you believe Rizzo/Castro were destined to be an elite middle of the lineup tandem for a decade. Look at them now. Sure Rizzo's only 24, and he has a fairly low Babip, but the .230 BA and slightly increased K rate indicate pitchers have adjusted some.

    Either way, any team whose futures projection is based largely on what's not already on their roster seems shortsighted to me.
    I'd be a lot more concerned about Castro than Rizzo...

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    Re: ESPN futures rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    I'd be a lot more concerned about Castro than Rizzo...
    Sure, my point is just that there's a big difference in comparing the future value of a known commodity like Votto or Bruce vs. a young unproven player, let alone a minor leaguer who may never even make the show.
    For example, between Hamilton, Ervin, Winker, YRod, Arias, and Waldrop, if you get one future AllStar, one future solid starter, and two future solid bench players, you're probably doing pretty well.
    Last edited by OGB; 09-06-2013 at 10:49 PM.
    (Referring to Jack Hannahan signing with a Korean team)
    Since there are no teams on the moon, I guess South Korea's far enough from Cincinnati to satisfy me.
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