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    Re: Joey Votto needs to sit.

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    I realize that, but my point is the end result could easily be the same. Not to mention the fact that if Joey is going to play like he currently is....will him playing tonight help us or hurt us?

    Let me put it this way, I'd rather he sit one game and be fresh and playing well for the next 20 or so, than to have him play all the games as a shell of himself.
    I am just not a strong supporter of 1 24 hour period off making a difference. I think it is one of the most overused cliches in baseball.

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    Re: Joey Votto needs to sit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    Players don't always agree what's best for them. It's Dusty's job to manage that
    I understand that. But, you didn't answer my question. Do you think Dusty would stand his ground and tell JV that he's the manager, he knows what's best and to go have a seat in the clubhouse with his turf shoes on?
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    Re: Joey Votto needs to sit.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I am just not a strong supporter of 1 24 hour period off making a difference. I think it is one of the most overused cliches in baseball.
    I can tell you from experience that it most certainly can. Especially mentally.
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    Re: Joey Votto needs to sit.

    Quote Originally Posted by TSJ55 View Post
    I understand that. But, you didn't answer my question. Do you think Dusty would stand his ground and tell JV that he's the manager, he knows what's best and to go have a seat in the clubhouse with his turf shoes on?
    Yes. He's done it before.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Joey Votto needs to sit.

    Quote Originally Posted by TSJ55 View Post
    I understand that. But, you didn't answer my question. Do you think Dusty would stand his ground and tell JV that he's the manager, he knows what's best and to go have a seat in the clubhouse with his turf shoes on?
    I do. But then again, I don't think Joey would argue with him. I think he'd voice his opinion that he feels he can play, but if Dusty thinks he needs a break...he'll get one.

    Who knows, we might all be completely off base and he could be ill with the flu or something. There's so much that goes on day-to-day that we're never privy to.
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    Re: Joey Votto needs to sit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    Yes. He's done it before.
    Fair enough. I don't think Dusty or Joey have any interest in Joey sitting tonight. Of course, I reserve the right to be wrong.
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    Re: Joey Votto needs to sit.

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    I do. But then again, I don't think Joey would argue with him. I think he'd voice his opinion that he feels he can play, but if Dusty thinks he needs a break...he'll get one.
    Ok. I just doubt Joey would go down w/o a fight. I don't hang out with Joey much [read: ever] so I don't know though.

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    Who knows, we might all be completely off base and he could be ill with the flu or something. There's so much that goes on day-to-day that we're never privy to.
    Truth.
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    Re: Joey Votto needs to sit.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    This is an untruth.
    I think that's a partial truth. Every player gets paid to help his team win games. He is paid both to get on base and not make outs as well as be clutch and drive in runs. Both are forms of production. Both help win games and being the best player on the team he should be doing both. Yes I know RBI are a highly situational stat, but RBI in the context of individual games and as a team are important because they are runs. They count total runs to determine the winner not total obp. There are situations where yes not making an out is highly important, but there are others where you just need to get a run in regardless if you make an out or not. The ideal being not to make an out and score.

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    Re: Joey Votto needs to sit.

    Hate to sit him against the cardinals in must win games, but was at the game last night and he looked clueless and I believe probably his first 0-7 in his career. I don't think he even got on base once. I was so tired at the end I'm not sure, little fuzzy. ha. Anyways, he had terrible swings and really and truly cost us game in the first inning with a Strike out with 2nd and 3rd and no outs. Nothing productive. Not sure I take him out, but would consider. Especially next to an off day and give him 2 days off. He can always come in and pinch hit, but I think for him it's mental. He needs some mental days off.
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    Re: Joey Votto needs to sit.

    I am just not a strong supporter of 1 24 hour period off making a difference.
    If he sits in the last game vs. the Cubs next week, he'll get 2 days off in a row. He should definitely get that break. Question is, is he so worn out now that he should sit sooner too (for example, vs. Kershaw). Agree that it's tough to sit him vs. the Cards.
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    Re: Joey Votto needs to sit.

    Am I the only one frightened of the aspect the Reds may have to bench the best player on the team during the most important stretch of the season because he appears completely lost at the plate?

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    Re: Joey Votto needs to sit.

    If he's hurt, then he sits and recovers.

    If he's tired or unfocused, then he borrows the bulldog pants from Latos and Homer, and gets out there and plays. This is the most important time of the year, they're playing their most bitter rival, and he's been the best hitter on the team. It's not a time to play a hunch and go with Hannahan or some other guess at 1B.

    Joey might not be paid to drive in runs, but he is paid to play and give it his best shot, when the chips are down, unless he's injured.

    He might be tired, but he looks more to me like he's overthinking everything he does right now. He just needs to use his muscle memory and turn off those inhibitory synapses!

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    Re: Joey Votto needs to sit.

    A tired Votto is still better than most any other player on the team. If he sits, it definitely should not be against the Cards or Bucs.
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    Re: Joey Votto needs to sit.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    A tired Votto is still better than most any other player on the team. If he sits, it definitely should not be against the Cards or Bucs.
    True, if this team goes down, it does so with Joey at 1B, and not on the bench.

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    Re: Joey Votto needs to sit.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Am I the only one frightened of the aspect the Reds may have to bench the best player on the team during the most important stretch of the season because he appears completely lost at the plate?
    I wouldn't call it completely lost.

    Tentative, shot through with self doubt, over-thinking.

    but yeah, it's not the Joey we've seen most of the year.

    Hopefully he and Jacoby are watching some vid, this afternoon, of him hammering NL pitching during the first half of 2012, when it looked as if he was going to obliterate the all time double record.

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