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    Re: Arroyo: Re-sign or let walk in the offseason?

    he can take Hanigan with him to NEW YORK


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    Re: Arroyo: Re-sign or let walk in the offseason?

    The lack of appreciation for Arroyo is astounding. Amazing. But then, I guess you guys know how easy it is to field a staff of five Mat Latos'.
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    yeah no way you don't make a qualifying offer. He is sure to go somewhere else because he porbably wants a change of scenary and more money before he retires because this is probably his last contract go round.

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    Re: Arroyo: Re-sign or let walk in the offseason?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    The lack of appreciation for Arroyo is astounding. Amazing. But then, I guess you guys know how easy it is to field a staff of five Mat Latos'.
    It's not that I don't appreciate what he has done in Cincinnati, BUT it's a business and it isn't a smart move to sign a 36 year old pitcher to a big contract when you have young guys ready to step up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewdog View Post
    It's not that I don't appreciate what he has done in Cincinnati, BUT it's a business and it isn't a smart move to sign a 36 year old pitcher to a big contract when you have young guys ready to step up.
    I agree with this - it's the knocking him for his last start that I get a bit ticked about. I am, if you read my posts, a proponent of making the qualifying offer, letting him walk (hoping he refuses the offer which I believe he will), taking the draft pick. That, as you said, is smart management, but it doesn't mean I won't miss seeing him on the mound - or dread him facing us because he's the kind of pitcher who gives the Reds hitters fits. The flip side, or dumb move, imo, would be NOT to make a qualifying offer, letting him walk with no compensation. I'd rather risk paying him another year as a bridge to Stephenson. If he accepts, remember, its just a year. Which is exactly why I think he'll decline.
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    Qualifying offer should be $14 Mil'ish this year. Even if he took it, it would be 3 mil cheaper than his current year salary, and just about on par with the average Salary of his 2 year $28Mil contract.

    Wouldn't be an awful move to make the qualifying offer. Same for Choo.

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    Walk..and I dont even have to think twice about it

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    If that is the qualifying offer, I really don't believe he will get a better deal than 2 years 28. He is 36 years of age, a 500 pitcher, and probably only a 3rd starter in the NL and 4th in the AL. A bad team trying to get good is not going to sign him, it is not so cheap a bad or average team would get him for a body to pitch and a hope for a good year (aaron Haran) so it would have to be a pretty good team in desparate need for a dependable starter and they believe in him. If those terms are offered I think he will be a red next year. Who is going to pay him more to be a 500 pitcher at his age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SporkLover View Post
    Qualifying offer should be $14 Mil'ish this year. Even if he took it, it would be 3 mil cheaper than his current year salary, and just about on par with the average Salary of his 2 year $28Mil contract.

    Wouldn't be an awful move to make the qualifying offer. Same for Choo.
    Making Choo a qualifying offer is a no-brainer IMO. He would turn it down and the Reds would get a first-round compensatory pick. Have to do it.

    Arroyo is a tougher call. The market might be tough for him if a team has to give up a pick in order to land him, so he might end up taking the Reds up on the 1-year offer, which I don't really think the Reds want. I think the Reds envision a rotation of Cueto, Latos, Bailey, Leake and Cingrani in 2014. There just doesn't seem to be room for Arroyo, especially an expensive one at the age of 37.

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    Re: Arroyo: Re-sign or let walk in the offseason?

    I have no use for him.

    Bye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seat5 View Post
    I have no use for him.

    Bye.
    Classy.

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    I've liked bronson for a long time...but its time to go. His last game of the season is representative of an aging pitcher who doesn't have a put away pitch, no heat and once a team "learns him" they are patient and "hit him"

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    Re: Arroyo: Re-sign or let walk in the offseason?

    he must go asap

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    Re: Arroyo: Re-sign or let walk in the offseason?

    Quote Originally Posted by onetimeposter View Post
    If that is the qualifying offer, I really don't believe he will get a better deal than 2 years 28. He is 36 years of age, a 500 pitcher, and probably only a 3rd starter in the NL and 4th in the AL. A bad team trying to get good is not going to sign him, it is not so cheap a bad or average team would get him for a body to pitch and a hope for a good year (aaron Haran) so it would have to be a pretty good team in desparate need for a dependable starter and they believe in him. If those terms are offered I think he will be a red next year. Who is going to pay him more to be a 500 pitcher at his age.
    You are underestimating Arroyo's value on the free market.
    Arroyo will get a nice 3 year deal (likely more than the Reds will be willing to pay).. I could see somewhere between 33-40 million for 3 years.
    He's a perfect fit for several clubs with money, and about as low health risk as you are going to get for someone over 32...
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    Re: Arroyo: Re-sign or let walk in the offseason?

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    You are underestimating Arroyo's value on the free market.

    Arroyo will get a nice 3 year deal (likely more than the Reds will be willing to pay).. I could see somewhere between 33-40 million for 3 years.
    He's a perfect fit for several clubs with money, and about as low health risk as you are going to get for someone over 32...
    Good enough for better than a qualifying offer? Keep in mind the team that signs him loses a first or second round draft pick (If the Reds make a qualifying offer).

    That is what sunk Kyle Lohse... a good 2nd-middle rotation guy that didn't get signed until Spring Training this year. He got a longer contract than the qualifying offer, but that whole compensatory pick / lose first round pick trimmed the yearly value of the contract, and he wasn't even picked up by a competitive team.

    Edwin Jackson, who didn't get a qualifying offer, got a much better deal from the Cubs plus a fat signing bonus.


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