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    Re: So Hamilton is electric

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    He hasn't been a 4th outfielder in Cleveland this year. 132 games in center and right, he's been starting for Cleveland.
    And many Cleveland fans are often upset that Ryan Raburn isn't getting more PT.

    Stubbs got more starts early on due to injuries to Bourn and Swisher.

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    Re: So Hamilton is electric

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    Henderson?!?
    I wasn't going to say anything.
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    Re: So Hamilton is electric

    Jocketty gets a lot of credit, along with ownership, the scout/drafting/development people, all of them.

    What an exciting team this has become. Votto, Chapman, and Hamilton alone are worth the price of admission.

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    Re: So Hamilton is electric

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfandan View Post
    1. Let him hit if you REALLY need to but it's better to keep using him the way they have been.

    2. I'm not sure that the player has to have been on the DL as of 8/31. I'm pretty sure though that the playoff roster can change between series.
    I don't think you're right but could be wrong. My understanding from a reading of the rules is that the DL for postseason purposes is determined by the list sent to MLB on Aug 31. Further, only one of those players could be replaced by a non-25-man-roster player. Again, could be wrong but did some research on this. I'd be very interested to have one of the many serious experts (i.e., definitely not me :-)) weigh in on this who know the rules well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Jocketty gets a lot of credit, along with ownership, the scout/drafting/development people, all of them.

    What an exciting team this has become. Votto, Chapman, and Hamilton alone are worth the price of admission.
    I wanted to do more than just "like" this. So, I'm quoting it. It's a sentiment any Reds fan should share. At the same time, and as we all know, baseball can be a brutal game. We all felt similary warm and wonderful this time last year. And you can bet your ass if we fold in the LDS (or, God forbid, in a WC game) again, the sentiment above will be long-forgotten by most. It's all about at least making it into the LCS. Showing real progress. As unfair a standard as that may be given the vagaries of the game.
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    Re: So Hamilton is electric

    Quote Originally Posted by 1940757690 View Post
    I don't think you're right but could be wrong. My understanding from a reading of the rules is that the DL for postseason purposes is determined by the list sent to MLB on Aug 31. Further, only one of those players could be replaced by a non-25-man-roster player. Again, could be wrong but did some research on this. I'd be very interested to have one of the many serious experts (i.e., definitely not me :-)) weigh in on this who know the rules well.
    Basically, anyone in the organization from Rookie League to the majors is eligible for the post season. Anyone in the organization who is not on the 25 man roster or the major league DL can replace a player on the DL. It's like, Oh, hey, Logan Ondrusek. How's your shoulder? It's a little sore? Boom, he's on the DL and Hamilton replaces him.
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    Re: So Hamilton is electric

    Quote Originally Posted by 1940757690 View Post
    I don't think you're right but could be wrong. My understanding from a reading of the rules is that the DL for postseason purposes is determined by the list sent to MLB on Aug 31. Further, only one of those players could be replaced by a non-25-man-roster player. Again, could be wrong but did some research on this. I'd be very interested to have one of the many serious experts (i.e., definitely not me :-)) weigh in on this who know the rules well.
    Well, I did say that I wasn't sure. But, I'm a little more sure that changes can be made to the roster between series. We'll find out for sure soon enough though.
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    Is Hamilton already the best PR of all time? Might be. Might get himself 15-20 SB this season, and wait until he starts going for 3rd base (people are going to lose their minds).

    And comparing Hamilton's speed to what we normally consider fast is pointless. He's on another level. There's going to be an entire cottage industry of graduate theses devoted to figuring out the effect of Hamilton's speed on the game. He really is the New Math.
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    Re: So Hamilton is electric

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Basically, anyone in the organization from Rookie League to the majors is eligible for the post season. Anyone in the organization who is not on the 25 man roster or the major league DL can replace a player on the DL. It's like, Oh, hey, Logan Ondrusek. How's your shoulder? It's a little sore? Boom, he's on the DL and Hamilton replaces him.
    Being the guy that gets Billy Hamilton on the playoff roster will likely be Nick Masset's biggest contribution to the Reds this year.

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    Re: So Hamilton is electric

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Is Hamilton already the best PR of all time? Might be. Might get himself 15-20 SB this season, and wait until he starts going for 3rd base (people are going to lose their minds).

    And comparing Hamilton's speed to what we normally consider fast is pointless. He's on another level. There's going to be an entire cottage industry of graduate theses devoted to figuring out the effect of Hamilton's speed on the game. He really is the New Math.
    What I'd like to see happen is for him to be on 2nd and someone lays a bunt down and Hamilton is so fast the defense has to watch him because he could score.
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    Re: So Hamilton is electric

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    It wasn't hard to see that lack of speed was hurting this team's ability to score. Nice to see Hamilton rectifying that, at least late and close.
    More than the speed itself, it was the lack of variety in the attack.

    And, though it's too early to say anything definitive, notice how the team has been hitting real well with Hamilton on the bases. Generally speed on the bases doesn't buy pitches for the guy at the plate, but Billy Hamilton might be the exception to that rule.

    Somebody who's not as lazy as me really ought to look at what pitchers are throwing with Hamilton on the bases.
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    Re: So Hamilton is electric

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    Being the guy that gets Billy Hamilton on the playoff roster will likely be Nick Masset's biggest contribution to the Reds ever
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: So Hamilton is electric

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Basically, anyone in the organization from Rookie League to the majors is eligible for the post season. Anyone in the organization who is not on the 25 man roster or the major league DL can replace a player on the DL. It's like, Oh, hey, Logan Ondrusek. How's your shoulder? It's a little sore? Boom, he's on the DL and Hamilton replaces him.
    Not sure you're right. Can you cite a source for that? I think (and, again, I could absolutely be wrong here) the "flex" positions which a Hamilton could fill are for DLed players as of 8/31. Not future ones. Trying to remember the relevant specifics around what happened when Cueto went down in the LDS last year.
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    Re: So Hamilton is electric

    Quote Originally Posted by 1940757690 View Post
    Not sure you're right. Can you cite a source for that? I think (and, again, I could absolutely be wrong here) the "flex" positions which a Hamilton could fill are for DLed players as of 8/31. Not future ones. Trying to remember the relevant specifics around what happened when Cueto went down in the LDS last year.
    Cueto was a Different situation in that the injury happened during the playoffs, after the playoff roster was set. A different rule applies to injuries during the series than for replacing a guy and getting on the playoff roster initially.

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    Re: So Hamilton is electric

    Per Fay:
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    Billy Hamilton is eligible for the playoff roster, as per #Reds. He replace a player on DL (Masset). @Cincienquirer

    RT @jfoley22: How can they since he was a Sept 1 call up, not on the 25man? Injury replacement?//The Reds rule guy told us that.
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