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    We're still good.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: 9/17/13 - Reds at Sir Charlestros

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman View Post
    This will be Leake's 42 Big league win, 14 more than Strasburg.
    Leake has also pitched 4 full seasons. Strasburg only 2. Might have something to do with it lol. Still a great outing for Leake.

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    Re: 9/17/13 - Reds at Sir Charlestros

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman View Post
    This will be Leake's 42 Big league win, 14 more than Strasburg.
    Great win for Leake today. And really nice progress.

    But the comparison to Strasburg is a bit apples-to-oranges. They both began their careers in 2010 but Strasburg has missed a ton more time due to injury and shutdown. Career stats:

    Leake: 667 innings 112 games
    Stras: 421 innings 73 games

    Of course wins are a very imperfect metric for pitching effectiveness but both have won 38% of their games. FWIW.
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    Re: 9/17/13 - Reds at Sir Charlestros

    Yes so given all that who would you rather invest in?

    Strasburg and his shaky elbow or Leake and his reliability?

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    Re: 9/17/13 - Reds at Sir Charlestros

    Quote Originally Posted by osuredleg24 View Post
    Mark Sanchez did that much, much better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxBEHWFYzbM
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    Re: 9/17/13 - Reds at Sir Charlestros

    Quote Originally Posted by UPRedsFan View Post
    Yes so given all that who would you rather invest in?

    Strasburg and his shaky elbow or Leake and his reliability?
    Totally different question. Would I trade Leake straight up for Strasburg if I had Jocketty's seat? You betcha I would. In a Cincinnati minute.
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    Re: 9/17/13 - Reds at Sir Charlestros

    Quote Originally Posted by xsteve1 View Post
    In his last 3 starts Mike Leake is 3-0, 0.84. His active scoreless streak is at a career-high 20.1 innings.
    Pretty darn impressive.
    8 inn
    5 2/3 inn
    7 inn (HR to Hanley with 2 outs in 1st)

    20 2/3?

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    Re: 9/17/13 - Reds at Sir Charlestros

    Quote Originally Posted by 1940757690 View Post
    Great win for Leake today. And really nice progress.

    But the comparison to Strasburg is a bit apples-to-oranges. They both began their careers in 2010 but Strasburg has missed a ton more time due to injury and shutdown. Career stats:

    Leake: 667 innings 112 games
    Stras: 421 innings 73 games

    Of course wins are a very imperfect metric for pitching effectiveness but both have won 38% of their games. FWIW.
    Durability is huge and its one of Leake's main talents. An apt comparison.

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    Re: 9/17/13 - Reds at Sir Charlestros

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman View Post
    Durability is huge and its one of Leake's main talents. An apt comparison.
    Recent and limited history is no guarantee of future trajectory. Big raw talent difference in terms of pitching skiils and strengths. Durability isn't a talent; it's a characteristic. So, IMHO, not so apt a comparison but good people can disagree.

    More importantly, Leake is doing great and that's a wonderful thing. We need him if we're going to get this division, make it to and through an LDS, etc.
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    Re: 9/17/13 - Reds at Sir Charlestros

    Quote Originally Posted by 1940757690 View Post
    Totally different question. Would I trade Leake straight up for Strasburg if I had Jocketty's seat? You betcha I would. In a Cincinnati minute.
    1. Over the 3 plus seasons since they've been drafted, Leake has been a lot more valuable to the Reds than Stasberg has to the Nats.

    2. As far as trading one for the other, lets have this conversation a few years down the road. I suspect Leake will be still winning games and Stasburg will be having yet another operation.

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    Just got home. Well....THAT was fun. :O) SMACK DOWN IN H-TOWN! *grin*

    Nearly caught a foul ball tonight. Down the 3rd base line but I backed off the last second because Frazier had a play on it. Me and a guy in a dodger jersey ended up trying to keep Todd out of the stands. :O) Oh well, no foul ball for this old fart.

    So, 2 for 2....how am I doin' fellas?
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    Re: 9/17/13 - Reds at Sir Charlestros

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    Just got home. Well....THAT was fun. :O) SMACK DOWN IN H-TOWN! *grin*

    Nearly caught a foul ball tonight. Down the 3rd base line but I backed off the last second because Frazier had a play on it. Me and a guy in a dodger jersey ended up trying to keep Todd out of the stands. :O) Oh well, no foul ball for this old fart.

    So, 2 for 2....how am I doin' fellas?
    These first two were easy. Tomorrow you have to bring a win with Greg Reynolds on the mound. That's where you'll earn your keep.
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    Re: 9/17/13 - Reds at Sir Charlestros

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker View Post
    Nice Erardi story in the Enquirer this AM about the Phillies '64 epic collapse and the Reds almost winning the pennant.

    The Nats are making me nervous.
    If the Reds and Nats were scheduled to play 5 times in the last 12 games like the Reds and Phils that year, I might agree. They don't and I don't. 5 games is too much to make up this late when you don't play head-to-head.

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    Re: 9/17/13 - Reds at Sir Charlestros

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    Just got home. Well....THAT was fun. :O) SMACK DOWN IN H-TOWN! *grin*

    Nearly caught a foul ball tonight. Down the 3rd base line but I backed off the last second because Frazier had a play on it. Me and a guy in a dodger jersey ended up trying to keep Todd out of the stands. :O) Oh well, no foul ball for this old fart.

    So, 2 for 2....how am I doin' fellas?
    Good job! Keep it up Ready for a weekend vacation in beautiful downtown Pittsburgh?
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    Re: 9/17/13 - Reds at Sir Charlestros

    As for the Astros...while obviously pitiful...I thought Humber looked quite good.
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