Who are the Browns
Who are the Browns
Sabermetrics can be boiled down to this simple truism: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.
Reminds me of why, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get behind Browns v2.0.
They've bumbled and a stumbled and burned off an awful lot of fan goodwill. And are just as far away from contending as when they started the new franchise.
Pay attention to the open sky
Lombardi has a plan. He was very vocal about not liking Weeden while he was an analyst for NFL Network. But instead of reaching for a QB in a weak class in '13, he started trading '13 picks for '14 picks in order to have the ammo necessary to move up to get one of the three studs (Bridgewater, Hundley and Boyd) in case the Browns weren't high enough to take one on their own. Now they have another 1st rounder as trade ammo if they need it.
To be honest I don't know if it is the right or wrong move for a franchise to make. I have had Bengal season tickets for about 10 years now. I have been in the middle of some pretty poor seasons but always appreciated when they would win a football game. I think the Browns were looking at a 6-10 to 7-9 season. A step forward for a franchise that has been mired in a slump for decades. Unfortunately for the Browns and their fans, their GM has given up the season after week 2. He better be right.
With the premium placed on a franchise QB, I doubt any of them sell, for any reason, with the chance to take one.
23 Years and Counting...
So....seems Richardson learned of the trade on the radio. Clowns, indeed.
Can't win with 'em
Can't win without 'em
Anyway, even if those 4 teams all suck and jockey for position it seems there will be enough QBs to go around early in draft - - especially since one of them will have to take Clowney, IMO
"I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum... and I'm all out of bubble gum."
- - Rowdy Roddy Piper
"It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong. I am not a big man"
- - Fletch
I wonder if this will start a new trend of tanking in the NFL, especially since the franchise value of a top draft pick his first few years is limited in the current labor agreement. "Suck for Luck" was a bit tongue and cheek but Indy didn't make any overtly public moves to cement their status and the top pick. To me, the worst part of the trade is the appearance that the Browns are actively trying to scuttle this season in the name of draft position after only two games. I hope these moves don't become a regular occurrence and lead to an NFL lottery future.
Last edited by paintmered; 09-19-2013 at 08:25 PM.
What if this wasn't a rhetorical question?
All models are wrong. Some of them are useful.
The rule changes over the last decade have, in almost every respect, had the effect of inflating the value of the quarterback position.
There used to be a number of different pathways to power in the NFL -- but the era of the tough defense / rushing attack offense with a game-manager at QB (think the '85 Bears, '00 Ravens, the '02 Buccaneers, etc.) has ended. Now, the only way to win consistently is with a playmaking / franchise QB under center.
If you don't have one, why wouldn't you tank a season to get on? Every season you play without one is, basically, a waste.
23 Years and Counting...
2011 SB Champ QB: Aaron Rodgers - 24th pick overall
2010 SB Champ QB: Eli Manning - 1st pick overall
2009 SB Champ QB: Drew Brees 32nd pick overall
I do agree that a franchise QB is very important, but as you can see you do not have to tank a season and draft in the first 5 picks to have a franchise QB.
I just looked up Richardson's stats. Not sure what the hype is all about. Looks like an even better trade for Cle than folks want to admit.
And the rumor is that is actually what the new owner is driving for.
Ya gotta have a QB, and the Browns, over the last 14 years have failed miserably.
I've been a life-long Brown fan since around 1965 (remember when Kelly took over for Brown). And what is funny, when it comes to us Brown fans, is that if you ask them who was the last really good QB for the Browns, they go back to Kosar (80s). Now that was a long time ago. Kosar was good.... but he wasn't that good. He was surrounded by a lot of talent.
The Browns reconfigured the defense in the off-season and, IMO, will be rock solid. Of course this year may not show that simply because they'll be worn out being on the field so much from all the three-and-outs the offense is gonna put up.
Most Brown fans have been screaming at this management for years to start prioritizing the offensive side.
And while it stinks, since we've only two games deep into this season, I think that is what they are now attempting to do, going into next season, with the offense.
Richardson and Weeden were Holgrem's boys. A new owner comes in, cleans house on the coaching staff, and it's only natural they want to acquire (build) with players that fit their scheme. I like Chudzinski and Turner (offensive coordinator). And Richardson didn't fit into the type of RB scheme that Chud wants. And Weeden will be gone too.
Interesting article that projects what the Brown's two 1st round picks will be at..... http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...-2nd-6th-picks
So we'll see.
The initial shock has worn off, and I'm back to my normal Brown fan numb state. LOL
"panic" only comes from having real expectations
This is good move for Browns. Too easy to come up with decent running backs. Should never have spent a #1 on Richardson. Now they can spend it on a premium position.
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