THAT was fantastic. I wasn't sure I wanted to commit 4 minutes of my life to watching the whole thing.....but it was worth it.Originally Posted by klw
THAT was fantastic. I wasn't sure I wanted to commit 4 minutes of my life to watching the whole thing.....but it was worth it.
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Vlad has much larger counting stats. Nearly 700 more hits, 60 more doubles, 150 more homers, 400 more RBI, 20 points in average and 50 points in slugging. Giles had 2 all-star games. Vlad had 9. Giles finished in the top 15 of MVP voting once. Vlad was there 10 times including a win.
Now, I will be right there with you that Giles should have been in more AS games and higher in some MVP votes, but he wasn't and in the time where he will be eligible to be voted on, those things are going to matter and he simply doesn't come close to stacking up to Vlad.
Refer to the Todd Helton thread.
Vlad gets in MY hall of fame easily.
Will the writers put him in? Probably not.
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Giles was an interesting guy. Got a late start because he was in a crazy deep Indians organization. Had an impressive four-year prime with some terrible Pirates teams. Then he went to San Diego, which really sapped his power. Once that happened you were left with a guy with good OB skills and C+ power. And he never had defense or speed. With the Padres he shared top billing with Phil Nevin at first and then got eclipsed by Mike Cameron and, especially, Adrian Gonzalez.
IIRC, there also was a fair amount of speculation that found his power inside a syringe. He bulked up quickly in the late '90s and thinned out noticeably once the league started testing. Hard to say because his power spike happened during his age 28-31 seasons. Yet even if he was 100% clean he profiles as a good player who had a limited very good-to-great peak.
As for Vlad, anyone who goes on a decade-long tear like he had from 1998-2007 should be an easy Cooperstown pick.
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