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    Re: 9/21/13 - Reds @ Pirates - Choo/Frazier out, Robinson/Hannahan in

    1-2-3 go the Reds after Brandon flies out to right center.
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    Re: 9/21/13 - Reds @ Pirates - Choo/Frazier out, Robinson/Hannahan in

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I was looking up Choo's defense today. -17 UZR/150 (someone said he has been solid...I did not respond.)

    However Votto was at +3 I believe.

    What does that mean? Don't ask me.
    This just means that there a lot of great fielding CF'ers in the league right now, and a lot of crappy fielding 1B.

    According to UZR, Joey has been 3 runs better than the average 1B, while Choo has been 17 runs worse than the average CF'er. It doesn't mean that Votto has been 20 runs better defensively than Choo.

    This is why adding UZR to WAR is flawed.
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    Re: 9/21/13 - Reds @ Pirates - Choo/Frazier out, Robinson/Hannahan in

    79 pitches for Burnett through 5.
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    Re: 9/21/13 - Reds @ Pirates - Choo/Frazier out, Robinson/Hannahan in

    Not that Pittsburgh's bullpen is a weakness, but the good news is Burnett is around 80 pitches after 5 innings...

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    Re: 9/21/13 - Reds @ Pirates - Choo/Frazier out, Robinson/Hannahan in

    It looked early like they would get Burnett out fairly early but he's now on pace to get through 7 innings, unfortunately.
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    Re: 9/21/13 - Reds @ Pirates - Choo/Frazier out, Robinson/Hannahan in

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    This just means that there a lot of great fielding CF'ers in the league right now, and a lot of crappy fielding 1B.

    According to UZR, Joey has been 3 runs better than the average 1B, while Choo has been 17 runs worse than the average CF'er. It doesn't mean that Votto has been 20 runs better defensively than Choo.

    This is why adding UZR to WAR is flawed.
    Why is that a flaw? Positions aren't created equal, so a player's value should be compared to their own positions.

    WAR does adjust for positions in the formula though. So the average baselines are taken into account.
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    Re: 9/21/13 - Reds @ Pirates - Choo/Frazier out, Robinson/Hannahan in

    Ugh. This byplay is nauseating.

    I thought Grande retired. I didn't realize that he was the second coming of Favre.
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    Re: 9/21/13 - Reds @ Pirates - Choo/Frazier out, Robinson/Hannahan in

    Fly out to center, ground out to short. 2 down for Homie.
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    Re: 9/21/13 - Reds @ Pirates - Choo/Frazier out, Robinson/Hannahan in

    casey saying pettitte should be in the HOF. What?
    Just call me Legs

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    Re: 9/21/13 - Reds @ Pirates - Choo/Frazier out, Robinson/Hannahan in

    Carpenter gets his 54th dbl to pass Musial for most by LHB'er but is stranded. Still 2-1

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    Re: 9/21/13 - Reds @ Pirates - Choo/Frazier out, Robinson/Hannahan in

    Dang. 2 out walk to the pitcher. Homer's kicking himself on that one.
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    Re: 9/21/13 - Reds @ Pirates - Choo/Frazier out, Robinson/Hannahan in

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Hamilton's Legs View Post
    casey saying pettitte should be in the HOF. What?
    He'll say yes for everyone. I don't think I've ever heard him say that someone doesn't deserve to be.
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    Re: 9/21/13 - Reds @ Pirates - Choo/Frazier out, Robinson/Hannahan in

    I didn't get the 2-2 offspeed pitch. With the pitcher up and no one on base, just go after him with the old No. 1 and make him hit it.
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    Re: 9/21/13 - Reds @ Pirates - Choo/Frazier out, Robinson/Hannahan in

    Marty saying the umps have warnings for both benches not only tonight and tomorrow but also in place for next weekend.

    Seems a bit much.

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    Re: 9/21/13 - Reds @ Pirates - Choo/Frazier out, Robinson/Hannahan in

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Hamilton's Legs View Post
    casey saying pettitte should be in the HOF. What?
    He simply says words like throwing spaghetti on a wall -- which is why I have the sound off
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