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    9/22/13 Reds @ Pirates

    Reds:

    Hamilton 8
    Heisey 7
    Votto 3
    Phillips 4
    Bruce 9
    Frazier 5
    Cozart 6
    Hanigan 2
    Arroyo 1

    Pirates:

    Tabata
    Walker
    McCutchen
    Morneau
    Byrd
    Alvarez
    Martin
    Barmes
    Locke
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    Re: 9/22/13 Reds @ Pirates

    Glad to see Frazier back in there. And, even if he goes 0 for 4, thrilled to see BHam in. Just seems like the better decision to me; certainly relative to Robinson.. Would have liked to see Mesoraco back behind the plate too. And, not excited about Heisey in for Ludwick. Maybe something's going on with Meso I missed since at the game last night?

    If last night was playing with one hand behind our back, this one feels like that hand is maybe now in a front pocket...or some imperfect analogy like that but probably makes some sense?

    The Pirates are a very good team. Feels like we should be pulling out more stops to at least be serious about getting the WC1 spot if not making a serious division play. Don't these guys realize we hoofed it all the way from DC here for this series? Surely they can win at least one for us between Sat and Sun?
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    Re: 9/22/13 Reds @ Pirates

    I know they like to give Ludwick day off on day games but this one I don't get. But go Bham!

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    Re: 9/22/13 Reds @ Pirates

    Quote Originally Posted by OC_Red View Post
    I know they like to give Ludwick day off on day games but this one I don't get. But go Bham!
    Dusty's answer will be two-fold. Everyone is going to get some AB and Heisey needs some AB and with Bronson pitching he's prone to more fly balls and Heisey is the better LF.

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    Re: 9/22/13 Reds @ Pirates

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironman92 View Post
    Dusty's answer will be two-fold. Everyone is going to get some AB and Heisey needs some AB and with Bronson pitching he's prone to more fly balls and Heisey is the better LF.
    It's a logical answer. Given the particular context, doesn't seem like a very good answer though.
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    Re: 9/22/13 Reds @ Pirates

    Sigh. Well... Go Reds!

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    Re: 9/22/13 Reds @ Pirates

    Choo's dinged up and Ludwick probably needs a rest...why the hate for this lineup?

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    Re: 9/22/13 Reds @ Pirates

    Don't hate it. Just would like to see Ludwick. Especially since Heisey is 0 for his last 20.

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    Re: 9/22/13 Reds @ Pirates

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    Choo's dinged up and Ludwick probably needs a rest...why the hate for this lineup?
    Every lineup gets bashed unless it includes all the favorite players, in which case it is declared the best lineup of the season. LOL, it's to be expected, we can't complain about anything else yet, the game hasn't begun.

    Hanigan usually catches Arroyo so that's not unusual. BHamilton is not unusual since Dusty explained it yesterday.

    The only unusual thing is Ludwick sitting, particularly against a lefty, in a pretty big game. Could be defense, could be injury or fatigue, could be Dusty's normal pattern, could be day game after night game.

    Maybe Dusty will address it. Hard to see him sitting Ludwick today against a lefty.

    If you count SF as a home game, as intended, this is road game number 81 with the Reds currently 40-40.

    If you count SF as a road game, as the websites do, this is road game number 82 with the Reds currently 40-41.
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    Re: 9/22/13 Reds @ Pirates

    Ludwick has been mostly awful overall since he came back from the DL.

    Let's not act like he's "must start" producing right now. Until he proves otherwise, he's just another guy that can be moved pretty interchangeably in and out of the line-up. At this point, giving him continued rest is probably the best bet to turn him into something more than that. And considering that he normally hits righties and lefties pretty equally, sitting him against a lefty makes just as much sense as anything.

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    Re: 9/22/13 Reds @ Pirates

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    Choo says he will play tomorrow. X-rays were negative. "That eased my mind. Was worried." #reds @Cincienquirer

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    Re: 9/22/13 Reds @ Pirates

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    Ludwick has been mostly awful overall since he came back from the DL.

    Let's not act like he's "must start" producing right now. Until he proves otherwise, he's just another guy that can be moved pretty interchangeably in and out of the line-up.
    This.

    Why is he a must start? He's awful in LF, and PIT has the biggest LF in all of land. He's also essentially a singles hitter now. He has 7 xbh in 121 PA's. I'm not blaming HIM, I mean he is coming off of shoulder surgery, but we can't just play the guy hoping he gets back into form in 1 week.

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    Re: 9/22/13 Reds @ Pirates

    Quote Originally Posted by OC_Red View Post
    Don't hate it. Just would like to see Ludwick. Especially since Heisey is 0 for his last 20.
    To be fair to Heisey, he's hit lefties well this year, high SLG against them. Huge gap in OPS for Heisey good against lefties, not against righties. .815 OPS v. lefties, .592 against righties.

    You'd think Ludwick would play today but it's not that big a deal, hopefully Heisey gets an extra base hit or two.
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    Re: 9/22/13 Reds @ Pirates

    Bit worried about Choo, given that he's had surgery on this same thumb before. Thank god we have a day off this week.
    There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

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    Re: 9/22/13 Reds @ Pirates

    Quote Originally Posted by OC_Red View Post
    Don't hate it. Just would like to see Ludwick. Especially since Heisey is 0 for his last 20.
    So you're saying he's due!

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