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    Re: If Boras gets his way, Choo likely won't be a Red.

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    The Mets are now saying they won't go beyond 4 years for Choo. It'll make things a bit harder for Boras to get 5 for Choo.
    Not necessarily, the Mets being cheap in the post-Madoff era is like the sun rising in the morning.
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    Re: If Boras gets his way, Choo likely won't be a Red.

    I'd love Choo at 4/68 but doubt it will happen.

    Best scenario, with Winker and Ervin on the horizon, is he takes the Reds' qualifying offer, but again I seriously doubt that will ever happen.
    Sabermetrics can be boiled down to this simple truism: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.

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    Re: If Boras gets his way, Choo likely won't be a Red.

    Quote Originally Posted by redsrule2500 View Post
    Boras isn't always right, why do we act like he's some sort of perfect agent?

    He messed up bad with Michael Bourne just last year, and he ended up asking way too much in the beginning, only to get way less last-minute with the Tribe.

    He also over-valued Ryan Madsen, and the Reds were able to work that deal.
    But that would still rule out the Reds, right? Isn't there still a rule that says if a team hasn't signed one of thier own free agents by January he can't negotiate back with that team until May (therefore missing a month of the season)?

    That's what happened with Sabo. The Reds offered him way more than what he ended up signing for, but because his agent had him convinced he could get more he waited until past the point where he could negoiate with Cincy and ended up going somewhere else.
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    Re: If Boras gets his way, Choo likely won't be a Red.

    I think it'll be pretty close to 5/100MM when it is all said and done. My guess is teams with big money like the Rangers, Yankees and Cubs will fall hard for his OB numbers (rightly so) and wet themselves into a minor bidding war. After Cano, he's the cream of a fairly thin free-agent crop, in my opinion.

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    Re: If Boras gets his way, Choo likely won't be a Red.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    I'd love Choo at 4/68 but doubt it will happen.
    Well, sure and I'd love a pony, but it takes two to sign a contract and there is no way at all Choo would (or should) sign such a deal.

    If he's not the best position player in the free agent pool, he's the second best and while he does look overmatched in center, defensively he can certainly carry right and would be a monster in left. The bat certainly plays in both slots.

    The new media money is pouring in and even the low salary teams are looking at their revenue sharing check and thinking....maybe?

    You can debate the merits of it till the cows come home, but the fact is that he's going to be a very rich man in 5 months.

    This is another one that I wouldn't mind being wrong on at all, but the biggest fool will "win" this one and I don't want it to be my team.
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    Re: If Boras gets his way, Choo likely won't be a Red.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Cano and Choo are the same age, but Cano plays a good defensive 2nd base while being the best offensive player at his position in the league (Carpenter has been better this year, but he has to do it for a few more years to overtake him). Choo plays a below average defensive CF. I think Choo is going to get paid a lot, but I do not think Cano is an equal comparision.
    *The contract year
    Josh Hamilton(2012): .387wOBA, 141wRC+, 142OPS+
    Shin-Soo Choo(2013): .394wOBA, 152wRC+, 145OPS+

    *Career
    Josh Hamilton: .375wOBA, 130wRC+, 132OPS+
    Shin-Soo Choo: .374wOBA, 135wRC+, 134OPS+

    *Josh Hamilton
    07: 130wRC+, 08: 132wRC+, 09: 85wRC+, 10: 175wRC+, 11:127wRC+

    *Shin-Soo Choo
    08: 150wRC+, 09: 134wRC+, 10: 145wRC+, 11: 106wRC+, 12: 131wRC+

    Josh Hamilton(885G, 3778 PA, Age 32, 5 yrs/$133M)
    Shin-Soo Choo(850G, 3666 PA, Age 31, 5 yrs/$100M)

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    Re: If Boras gets his way, Choo likely won't be a Red.

    I predict 6 years for $115 million, most likely to the Angels.

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    Re: If Boras gets his way, Choo likely won't be a Red.

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    *The contract year
    Josh Hamilton(2012): .387wOBA, 141wRC+, 142OPS+
    Shin-Soo Choo(2013): .394wOBA, 152wRC+, 145OPS+

    *Career
    Josh Hamilton: .375wOBA, 130wRC+, 132OPS+
    Shin-Soo Choo: .374wOBA, 135wRC+, 134OPS+

    *Josh Hamilton
    07: 130wRC+, 08: 132wRC+, 09: 85wRC+, 10: 175wRC+, 11:127wRC+

    *Shin-Soo Choo
    08: 150wRC+, 09: 134wRC+, 10: 145wRC+, 11: 106wRC+, 12: 131wRC+

    Josh Hamilton(885G, 3778 PA, Age 32, 5 yrs/$133M)
    Shin-Soo Choo(850G, 3666 PA, Age 31, 5 yrs/$100M)
    With this comparison, are you suggesting that he'll fall flat next year and won't be worth the money? Staggeringly similar profiles you put up with Choo at $30 mil less. If he can continue these stats over the next couple years, he'll make some club happy.
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    Re: If Boras gets his way, Choo likely won't be a Red.

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    The Mets are now saying they won't go beyond 4 years for Choo. It'll make things a bit harder for Boras to get 5 for Choo.
    How are they saying that? You are allowed to tamper ahead of free agency now?

    My money would be on Choo to the Angels or the Cubs. Choo to the Cubs would really suck.

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    Re: If Boras gets his way, Choo likely won't be a Red.

    Quote Originally Posted by oregonred View Post
    How are they saying that? You are allowed to tamper ahead of free agency now?

    My money would be on Choo to the Angels or the Cubs. Choo to the Cubs would really suck.
    It was mentioned on traderumors.

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    Re: If Boras gets his way, Choo likely won't be a Red.

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    *The contract year
    Josh Hamilton(2012): .387wOBA, 141wRC+, 142OPS+
    Shin-Soo Choo(2013): .394wOBA, 152wRC+, 145OPS+

    *Career
    Josh Hamilton: .375wOBA, 130wRC+, 132OPS+
    Shin-Soo Choo: .374wOBA, 135wRC+, 134OPS+

    *Josh Hamilton
    07: 130wRC+, 08: 132wRC+, 09: 85wRC+, 10: 175wRC+, 11:127wRC+

    *Shin-Soo Choo
    08: 150wRC+, 09: 134wRC+, 10: 145wRC+, 11: 106wRC+, 12: 131wRC+

    Josh Hamilton(885G, 3778 PA, Age 32, 5 yrs/$133M)
    Shin-Soo Choo(850G, 3666 PA, Age 31, 5 yrs/$100M)
    I was talking about Cano...what about years 2010, 2011, and 2012?

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    Re: If Boras gets his way, Choo likely won't be a Red.

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    The Mets are now saying they won't go beyond 4 years for Choo. It'll make things a bit harder for Boras to get 5 for Choo.
    Boy I am glad there are no anti-tampering rules or else someone on the Mets could get in trouble.

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    Re: If Boras gets his way, Choo likely won't be a Red.

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    *The contract year
    Josh Hamilton(2012): .387wOBA, 141wRC+, 142OPS+
    Shin-Soo Choo(2013): .394wOBA, 152wRC+, 145OPS+

    *Career
    Josh Hamilton: .375wOBA, 130wRC+, 132OPS+
    Shin-Soo Choo: .374wOBA, 135wRC+, 134OPS+

    *Josh Hamilton
    07: 130wRC+, 08: 132wRC+, 09: 85wRC+, 10: 175wRC+, 11:127wRC+

    *Shin-Soo Choo
    08: 150wRC+, 09: 134wRC+, 10: 145wRC+, 11: 106wRC+, 12: 131wRC+

    Josh Hamilton(885G, 3778 PA, Age 32, 5 yrs/$133M)
    Shin-Soo Choo(850G, 3666 PA, Age 31, 5 yrs/$100M)
    And that Josh Hamilton thing has really, really worked out well for the Angels.
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    Re: If Boras gets his way, Choo likely won't be a Red.

    Just looking at players' histories, I almost think you couldn't go wrong NOT giving a high dollar LTC to a player over age 31.
    Sabermetrics can be boiled down to this simple truism: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.

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    Re: If Boras gets his way, Choo likely won't be a Red.

    Hunter Pence just got a 5 for $90M extension in SF


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