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HeatherC1212 (09-26-2013)
Well, I like Votto and I'm thrilled we have him, but he's not the most exciting player on the team. He is the best hitter all around, but a lot of his value comes from walks. Watching him take 2-3 strikes and try to work the count is just not exciting for most fans. I understand him trying to get walks. It's smart, but it doesn't exactly fire up the crowd.
I think that's one reason why this team offense isn't exactly "exciting".. Choo and Votto get a lot of their values from walks. Honestly, I get more excited when Bruce comes to plate. Sure, Bruce strikes out quite a bit too but he's swinging and protecting the plate. He's not watching borderline pitches go by and hoping they get called balls.
Again, this is not a criticism of Votto. He's awesome.. But understand, a Votto at bat is not something fans are going to get up on their feet in anticipation for. 7.9% of Joey's plate appearance are extra base hits. In contrast, 11.8% of Bruce's plate appearances are extra base hits.
Bruce is just more exciting, IMO. That doesn't mean he's better.
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WMR (09-28-2013)
For years I have heard the "kids are back in school" explanation for small crowds. The first three decades of my life that were childless, I didn't understand. Now that I have two young kids, I definitely understand it. My wife and I took our two boys to probably 20 games from June-August, staying until 9:30, 10, and even midnight on one occasion. They liked it, we liked it, it was fun to do things as a family, and it simply didn't matter what time we got home. The kids were sleeping later anyway and if they needed to sleep later still, that was no big deal.
During the school year, the kids are exhausted by the return to school without putting a weeknight baseball game on top of it. Adding a baseball game to their schedule would have ramifications for days and across their life. You just can't do it. And because it's something I do at this point in my life with the kids or not at all, that means I don't really go to September games, during the week, either.
Will I be there this weekend? Of course. And that gets to what is wrong with Ludwick's comments. Comparing Reds@Pirates on a weekend to Mets@Reds during the week isn't apples to oranges, it's apples to stones.
919191 (09-26-2013),KittyDuran (09-26-2013),mdccclxix (09-27-2013),REDREAD (09-26-2013),remdog (09-28-2013),RiverRat13 (09-26-2013)
I do not have any kids, but in my childhood growing up, my siblings and I played a lot of sports on top of school. I think that factors into attendance numbers too. Parents have to drive to and from practices or games and sometimes they stay to watch them too. There simply isn't any time to attend Reds games.
Plus I think kids nowadays have a lot more homework than I ever remember having.
2015 Attendance 2-1 (4/6, 4/7,4/24)
2014 Attendance 1-3 (3/31, 4/12, 8/14)
2013 Attendance: 6-0 (4/3, 4/16, 4/17, 8/3, 8/21, 9/7)
919191 (09-26-2013),KittyDuran (09-26-2013),mdccclxix (09-27-2013),Revering4Blue (09-26-2013)
The "kids are back in school" reasoning is lame -- no kid was ever killed from staying up on one or two school nights past 8 or 9 PM. I went to plenty of school night games as a child. The idea that your kid will explode or turn into a juvenile delinquent if he's out after sundown during the school year is alarmingly silly to me.
Ryan Ludwick is also lame for calling the fans out.
But, what else do you expect? There's a lot of general negativity on this Reds squad -- from Phillips mouthing off about his contract to Votto yelling naughty words whenever he has a bad AB. There's just a general bad vibe coming off this team, and there has been one all year.
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BuckeyeRedleg (09-26-2013),Chip R (09-26-2013),remdog (09-28-2013),WMR (09-28-2013)
I understand that but Cincinnati isn't the only major league city in the country in which kids go to school. Far as I know they have schools in Milwaukee, St. Louis, Chicago, New York City, L.A., Denver, etc. Now are families with school age kids going to ball games in those cities? If they aren't, they are drawing more for other reasons so the "kids in school" excuse is moot and the Reds need to figure out how to get more people out in September who can't use the "kids-in-school" excuse.
Swampturkey (09-28-2013)
I haven't read the whole thread so I'm sure this point has been made, but I don't understand why this comes up in a year where we set an all-time attendance record. So all the previous 100+ years, the fans sucked even worse?
Maybe Ludwick had more time to think about this kind of thing, not playing most of the year.
KittyDuran (09-26-2013),mdccclxix (09-27-2013),RiverRat13 (09-26-2013),WMR (09-28-2013)
Asking that question of Milwaukee and St. Louis is fair. The other cities are so much bigger than Cincinnati that you can't really include them in this discussion. I would almost guarantee there are more people without kids in NYC and Chicago than the total amount of people in Cincinnati.
Caveat Emperor (09-26-2013),KittyDuran (09-26-2013),mdccclxix (09-27-2013),Revering4Blue (09-26-2013)
Having a more vibrant urban core and better city neighborhoods would help -- white flight pushed a lot of the middle-class suburbs out to places like West Chester, Loveland, and Mason. The trip to the ballpark becomes more of an ordeal when it's 30+ minutes there and 30+ minutes back.
For myself, living 5 minutes from downtown, a nice night and a lack of other plans are all it takes to get me to the yard.
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