It's Bruce. RedEye had a post asking about his numbers hitting second. (Original post now edited to reflect that.)
article that refutes your argument about what Joey should be doing by looking at an entire game under a microscope. The conclusion:
Votto knows what he is doing. He's one of the best hitters in baseball. In fact, he's a rare hitter historically who will likely be HOF worthy if he keeps up this approach and stays healthy. He will be an enormous part of any solution the team has moving forward.This year, Votto has a league-average rate of swings at pitches in the strike zone. He isn’t looking to walk. He’s looking to hit. He’s just looking to hit what he can hit hard, and his critics should be thankful he doesn’t pay them any attention. The best thing Joey Votto can do for the Reds is just be himself
Are you watching the games? They are not driving in runs behind him. And he has come through in 1 game in the last month, and that was a solo homer. His biggest highlight before that was a sacrifice fly.
The key runs are being driven in by Frazier, Cozy, Mes and Choo. Frazier and Mes are kind of like the blind squirrel, but at least they come through occasionally with risp.
And while were in it, maybe the reds should be less concerned with signing a leafiff hitter who barely shows up against lefties and who they have a replacement for in house, in the off season, and more worried about getting someone who hits consistently with power behind votto so more of his walks get translated into runs, and so pitchers will be less apt to walk him.
RANDY IN INDY (09-26-2013)
Pretty much. Let's get better players in the off season. There's not much lineup adjustment that Dusty will realistically do that'll make this current team much better.
1) I don't think Hamilton is near ready to be a replacement for Choo. He can play in his spot, sure, but he just isn't going to replace that production by a long shot. We're looking at most likely loss of at least .200 OPS next year with Flash at leadoff. That's going to hurt.And while were in it, maybe the reds should be less concerned with signing a leafiff hitter who barely shows up against lefties and who they have a replacement for in house, in the off season, and more worried about getting someone who hits consistently with power behind votto so more of his walks get translated into runs, and so pitchers will be less apt to walk him.
2) If you believe lineup protection is an important factor, I'd just point out that Bruce is a good in-house option. He barely has LH/RH and even hits tough lefties well (2 HR of Kershaw, for example, in one game).
Arguing the small details obscures the fact that Votto's an ideal 2 hole hitter for this year's team, given his approach and production. If this was an AL team and a competent manager, there wouldn't be any hesitation about pencicling him in 2nd.
Rounding third and heading for home...
It's really not a factor if comparing choo to hamilton. It's not fair to both players. They bring very differing skillsets to different aspects of the game. If we expect Hamilton to be choo, we might as well forget it. Our lineup is way too lefty centered. There isn't a single right handed bat id describe as average going forward. I think Phillips is in decline, Frazier is way too hacktasic, and coz art and Mes show signs of occasional growth. Choo is having a career year, and is going to demand top dollar. Our best prospects hitting wise play outfield. I know in the raw numbers there is a .200 difference in ops. Choo cannot be replaced with Hamilton alone. You have to look at the entire team situation. First off Hamilton will make up for some of the slugging difference through steals and he will probably help to increase the ops of players behind him just by distraction value alone leading to mistake pitches. This will bridge part of the gap. Also I have to think ludwick will produce a higher ops than the left field black hole did for most of this year. More gap made up. The key portion to making up Choos lost production will be acquiring a player to fill one of our weaker spots: 3b SS or C. I'd include LF too but it'd have to be a substantial upgrade over ludwick. Like All star quality worth blocking our prospects for and preferably right handed. But find someone to fill one of those spots that could bat 4th and give votto some protection probably boosting his ops a little bit. I know some of these names seemed far fetched but they are rumored to be available this winter. Bautista. Kemp. Tulo. Heck I'd even off the mets a package for wright starting with cueto Phillips and winker just to see what they'd say. I know these guys are expensive, but we are willing to throw that money at choo.
I understand that people see Bruce as protection but realistically looking at it, he puts up great overall numbers, but he has a tendency to be inconsistent. You can't have a main cog like a 4 hitter being MIA for multiple two to three week stretches. Plus he is left handed. Yes I know he shows good pop versus lefties, but overall he is not the same hitter as against righties.
So what in saying is let's not get too zeroed in on choo. The way the lineup is set up right now with a lefty in the mound we are practically nuetralized, and with a righty you can walk choo, go after the two hitter, probably get him if not a DP, walk votto, go after whoever hits 4 and get him fairly easily even if it's Bruce on a cold spell or with a loogy later in the game. Don't get hung up on choo. He's a great player great OPS, but it can be made up throughout the lineup. Diversify the attack. Add speed with Hamilton and power outside of GABP with a power righty. This year the team was slow sluggish and in terms of actual good hitters, too left handed.
Last edited by Old school 1983; 09-26-2013 at 10:09 PM.
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