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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    He had 185 hits and 129 walks in 2011.
    Choo got it, dude.

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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    I know that I am not simple-minded enough to look at the above data and mock Joey Votto. Of course mocking Votto when comparing him to three guys that may well be in the top 5 position players of all time is really dumb. Enough said.

    If only RZ held it's members to such lofty posting standards. Might not be any of us left (except Raisor).

    I wasn't mocking Joey Votto at all. Simply showing how ridiculous certain stats are.

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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by mikemo14 View Post
    I wasn't mocking Joey Votto at all. Simply showing how ridiculous certain stats are.
    What's ridiculous about hits and walks? If hits and walks are no longer meaningful statistics, which ones are?
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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by mikemo14 View Post
    Sample Season when those other three pulled the 180/130:
    Ruth 1921: .378-59-171 RBI
    Gehrig 1936 .354-49-152 RBI
    Ted Williams: 1949 .343-43-153 RBI

    Votto: .304-24-73.

    Enough said.
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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    If you drop it to 175 & 125, the list expands quite a bit in recent years:

    Helton (04), Giambi (01), C. Jones (99), Bagwell (96), T. Phillips (93), Dykstra (93), Bonds (93), F. Thomas (91), Boggs (88), Yaz (70), Ashburn (54), Williams (6 times), Gehrig (3 times), Lu Blue (31), Ruth (7 times).
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post

    If only RZ held it's members to such lofty posting standards. Might not be any of us left (except Raisor).

    when my revolution comes you have a chance to survive the purging.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by mikemo14 View Post
    Sample Season when those other three pulled the 180/130:
    Ruth 1921: .378-59-171 RBI
    Gehrig 1936 .354-49-152 RBI
    Ted Williams: 1949 .343-43-153 RBI

    Votto: .304-24-73.

    Enough said.
    Completely different run scoring environment too right?

    Or was that too much to add?

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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Barry Bonds twice reversed these numbers and had 180+ walks and 130+ hits. I assume that is an even more rare feat, esp as he is the only player to have more than 170 walks in a season.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...ondsba01.shtml

    2002 149 hits, 198 walks
    2004 135 hits, 232 walks (and 6 stolen bases! how was he still stealing at that point?)

    Bonds only reached 180+ hits once in his career. 1993 when he had 181 with 126 walks.
    Last edited by klw; 09-27-2013 at 10:06 AM.

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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    Barry Bonds twice reversed these numbers and had 180+ walks and 130+ hits. I assume that is an even more rare feat, esp as he is the only player to have more than 170 walks in a season.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...ondsba01.shtml

    2002 149 hits, 198 walks
    2004 135 hits, 232 walks (and 6 stolen bases! how was he still stealing at that point?)

    Bonds only reached 180+ hits once in his career. 1993 when he had 181 with 126 walks.
    Bonds' walk totals should be thrown out. It's like he was playing a different sport than everyone else. I thought the season he had 198 was untouchable at the time, but 232? Ridiculous.
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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ohayou View Post
    He had 185 hits and 129 walks in 2011.
    He had 110 walks in 2011, unless the sites I'm looking at are incorrect.
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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by SporkLover View Post
    I am really annoyed by these game commentator'esque stats.

    On the other hand, congrats Joey V for your extreme propensity to get on base.
    Interesting way to phrase the criticism, considering the primary "game commentators" for the Reds tend to gripe about Votto's walks.
    /r/reds

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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    I find it fascinating that no one has been able to get the 180+130 even though the number of games in a season has increased since those 3 did it (I think?)

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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by MillerTime58 View Post
    I find it fascinating that no one has been able to get the 180+130 even though the number of games in a season has increased since those 3 did it (I think?)
    I believe it went from 154 to 162 around 1960 or 1961. I know it was the early 60's.
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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by mikemo14 View Post
    Sample Season when those other three pulled the 180/130:
    Ruth 1921: .378-59-171 RBI
    Gehrig 1936 .354-49-152 RBI
    Ted Williams: 1949 .343-43-153 RBI

    Votto: .304-24-73.

    Enough said.
    I don't think Ruth, Gehrig, or Williams had a manager set them up with a .220 batter right in front of them.
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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by redsrule2500 View Post
    I don't think Ruth, Gehrig, or Williams had a manager set them up with a .220 batter right in front of them.
    Team runs in the 4 guys seasons (and they were 154 games).

    1921- 948 runs 1st in league
    1936- 1065 runs 1st in league
    1949- 896 runs 1st in league
    2013- 705 runs(estimate) 3rd in league

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