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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    By my count, 2 more times on base and Votto breaks Rose's club record for most times on base in a season by any Red.

    Remarkable, especially given the vitriol around town for his lack of RBI this year.

    One thing I've learned this year, unlike the "W" for pitchers, the importance of which has diminished as folks have better understood stats, the RBI still reigns supreme and is most highly valued, even by FO types.

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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    nm the dreaded double post!

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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    I just looked more into it on baseball-reference: that 1921 Ruth season is obscene.

    204 hits, 44 doubles, 16 triples, 177 runs scored, 1.359 OPS

    Wilt Chamberlain level dominance of MLB at that time. Ridiculous.
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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by redssince75 View Post
    I think the obscurity comes from picking the arbitrary numbers of 180 and 130.
    I believe these numbers were chosen because they are impressive. Arbitrary numbers would be more like 149 and 13.
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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatPitchIsDunn View Post
    I just looked more into it on baseball-reference: that 1921 Ruth season is obscene.

    204 hits, 44 doubles, 16 triples, 177 runs scored, 1.359 OPS

    Wilt Chamberlain level dominance of MLB at that time. Ridiculous.
    There are Kentucky horse farms smaller than some of those old baseball parks. If you hit it through the infield back then, there was a good chance for extra bases.
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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    ... to become only the 4th player in history to reach 180 hits/130 walks in a single season. The other three were Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig and Ted Williams.
    The best "off year" in history.
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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    What's ridiculous about hits and walks? If hits and walks are no longer meaningful statistics, which ones are?
    Ridiculous in drawing any comparison to his 2013 season versus any season of any of the other guys when they accomplished 180/130.

    Batting average, Runs scored and Runs batted in are somewhat important as well.

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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by mikemo14 View Post
    Batting average, Runs scored and Runs batted in are somewhat important as well.
    Yeah but........the two guys behind Votto each knocked in 100 runs. How many teams have had three players with 100 RBI's? It does not happen very often.

    My disappointment in Votto this year is his defense. I think he has the most errors of any first baseman. Seems like he does not get in front of a ground ball, he tries to side swipe it. Not sure if it has anything to do with last years injury or not.
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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    He had 110 walks in 2011, unless the sites I'm looking at are incorrect.
    Yeah, derp. I was looking at his strikeouts.
    Choo got it, dude.

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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by goreds2 View Post
    Yeah but........the two guys behind Votto each knocked in 100 runs. How many teams have had three players with 100 RBI's? It does not happen very often.

    My disappointment in Votto this year is his defense. I think he has the most errors of any first baseman. Seems like he does not get in front of a ground ball, he tries to side swipe it. Not sure if it has anything to do with last years injury or not.
    A few in 1930.

    Look at the aforementioned Gehrig's season, 5 guys on the Yankees with 100 rbis


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    1    Joe DiMaggio                637      125   
    2    Lou Gehrig                  579      152   
    3    Tony Lazzeri                537      109   
    4    George Selkirk              493      107   
    5    Bill Dickey                 423      107

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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by mikemo14 View Post
    Sample Season when those other three pulled the 180/130:
    Ruth 1921: .378-59-171 RBI
    Gehrig 1936 .354-49-152 RBI
    Ted Williams: 1949 .343-43-153 RBI

    Votto: .304-24-73.

    Enough said.
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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by mikemo14 View Post

    Batting average, Runs scored and Runs batted in are somewhat important as well.
    Every time you mention batting average an angel loses his wings
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by mikemo14 View Post
    Ridiculous in drawing any comparison to his 2013 season versus any season of any of the other guys when they accomplished 180/130.

    Batting average, Runs scored and Runs batted in are somewhat important as well.
    Batting Average is a statistic for Neanderthals. Runs and RBIs are team stats.

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    Re: Joey needs 6 hits in the Bucs series ...

    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling View Post
    Batting Average is a statistic for Neanderthals. Runs and RBIs are team stats.
    Neanderthals that breed with turnips!
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."


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