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    Re: Reds need to shake things up in the WC game.

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                    PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS
    Shin-Soo Choo   32 31 6  0  0  0   2  1 10 .194 .219 .194 .412
    Joey Votto      12 10 2  0  0  0   0  2  2 .200 .333 .200 .533
    Jay Bruce       11 11 0  0  0  0   0  0  6 .000 .000 .000 .000
    Sure, our three best hitters all have to be benched against Liriano.
    Anybody that has watched the game has to admit that Choo has looked kind of
    lost at the plate this year against some LHPs.
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    Re: Reds need to shake things up in the WC game.

    Ludwick is 7 for his last 21. I would not call that horrible.

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    Re: Reds need to shake things up in the WC game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    Bench Choo for a guy with a .300 OBP in the minor leagues.

    I've hard some pretty horrible ideas, but this one is certainly near the top.

    Now Ludiwck, that is a different case. He's adding nothing at the moment and doesn't look like he plans to. I'm all for replacing him and adding a different dimension.
    But Liriano kills LHH, and we also know how Choo struggles against lefties.

    Don't know what he's done against Liriano career-wise.

    On edit: junkhead has the answer, and it's not good:

    PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS

    Shin-Soo Choo 32 31 6 0 0 0 2 1 10 .194 .219 .194 .412
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    Re: Reds need to shake things up in the WC game.

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    .083 against Liriano this year, 1 for 12 with a .154 OBP
    Thanks, that's worse than I imagined.

    It doesn't matter that Votto and Bruce also have looked terrible against Liriano.

    Bruce hits lefties better than Choo does. And Hamilton is an OF.

    Blown out may be an exaggeration, but I don't think my concern is from a Chicken Little vibe. Hamilton can, if he gets on, get into Liriano's head.
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    Re: Reds need to shake things up in the WC game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    Choo benched. Over 1.000 OPS vs RHP. And you want him benched. GREAT POST!!!!!
    I'm talking about the WC game. Against Liriano, who has been death to LHH this year (see Liriano thread). Add to that Choo's trouble with lefties in general, and more importantly his horrible stats against Liriano specifically....
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    Re: Reds need to shake things up in the WC game.

    If the Reds don't win tonight then Cole will pitch on Tuesday.

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    Re: Reds need to shake things up in the WC game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rover View Post
    If the Reds don't win tonight then Cole will pitch on Tuesday.
    Where did you see that?

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    Re: Reds need to shake things up in the WC game.

    Quote Originally Posted by malcontent View Post
    Bruce hits lefties better than Choo does.
    Not much difference between the two.

    Choo: .243 .340 .341
    Bruce: 236 .306 .438

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    Re: Reds need to shake things up in the WC game.

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    Not much difference between the two.

    Choo: .243 .340 .341
    Bruce: 236 .306 .438
    Bruce has way more power versus lefties. Having said that it'd be insane to bench choo. Sure it's a start versus a tough lefty but ride the horses that got you there and choo has good OBP against lefties despite the lack of hitting. And if you use choo as a pinch hitter the pirates would just use a loogy. I'd consider Hamilton for ludwick to create a spark in the lineup.

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    Re: Reds need to shake things up in the WC game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Old school 1983 View Post
    Bruce has way more power versus lefties.
    You're right about Bruce having way more power than Choo.
    But, you also have to know that OBP is way more important than SLG(X1.8).

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    Re: Reds need to shake things up in the WC game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rover View Post
    If the Reds don't win tonight then Cole will pitch on Tuesday.
    Yeah, that's not true in the least.

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    Re: Reds need to shake things up in the WC game.

    Even though I think it should be Hamilton for Choo, Hamilton for Ludwick might do.

    So does Ludwick in the 2-hole the last two days mean he'll be there Tuesday?

    Or does that mean Hamilton will be there Tuesday? Or might Hamilton lead off with Choo in the 2-hole?
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    Re: Reds need to shake things up in the WC game.

    Frankly, starting Hamilton instead of Choo or Ludwick is the craziest idea I have ever heard.

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    Re: Reds need to shake things up in the WC game.

    Barney, Rizzo and Darnell McDonald all got to Liriano in his last start. No reason we can't do it. He gave up 7 ER in a start a few weeks ago to Bianchi, Khris Davis and Aramis Ramirez. Rizzo might be the only lefty in that bunch though.
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    Re: Reds need to shake things up in the WC game.

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    Frankly, starting Hamilton instead of Choo or Ludwick is the craziest idea I have ever heard.
    I'm just not comfortable with a 0.412 career OPS vs. Liriano leading off, in Pittsburgh, with the season on the line.

    Does that make me crazy?

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