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    Paul Daugherty says Brandon Phillips is very available

    From his morning blog today:

    "Iíve also been told that DDBP will be available. That is a mistake, but apparently his personality has become too much for certain high-ups to bear."

    I get the feeling his cursing out C. Trent was the last straw, and that his comments about not being paid enough earlier didn't help. So, where do you think he goes?

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    Re: Paul Daugherty says Brandon Phillips is very available

    Not really surprising. I actually like BP, but I think it makes sense to trade him now if they can find a taker. Not sure who would be interested with that contract though. The Angels? The Yanks?

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    Re: Paul Daugherty says Brandon Phillips is very available

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Not really surprising. I actually like BP, but I think it makes sense to trade him now if they can find a taker. Not sure who would be interested with that contract though. The Angels? The Yanks?
    The Angels are looking to trade Trumbo because he'll cost too much in arbitration.They won't look to take on that contract.

    The Yanks might, but I remember reading they want to stay under the 179 million luxury tax.They might if they miss out on Cano.

    757690-I believe his value has been in the combination of power and speed, something you don't always get from a 2nd baseman. His doubles were down this year, and he only had 5 steals as well. Teams will be looking at the offensive value he can provide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    I believe his value has been in the combination of power and speed, something you don't always get from a 2nd baseman.
    I thought thoughts about Brandon Phillips as being speedy had been laid to rest. I mean....he goes first to third as well as anybody, but his range is based more on quickness than speed. He doesn't steal bases. I guess you can blame Votto and Choo for his gidp rate, but it's been bad for a while.

    I'm not suggesting that Phillips is valueless, but lets be honest about what he IS.
    "Even a bad day at the ballpark beats the snot out of most other good days. I'll take my scorecard and pencil and beer and hot dog and rage at the dips and cheer at the highs, but I'm not ever going to stop loving this game and this team and nobody will ever take that away from me." Roy Tucker October 2010

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    Re: Paul Daugherty says Brandon Phillips is very available

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Not really surprising. I actually like BP, but I think it makes sense to trade him now if they can find a taker. Not sure who would be interested with that contract though. The Angels? The Yanks?
    If Cano exits stage left...

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    Re: Paul Daugherty says Brandon Phillips is very available

    .706 OPS

    14:$11M
    15:$12M
    16:$13M
    17:$14M

    Gonna have to give somebody away to get that contract off your hands

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    Re: Paul Daugherty says Brandon Phillips is very available

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    .706 OPS

    14:$11M
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    Gonna have to give somebody away to get that contract off your hands
    Not at all.

    That's not a lot of money for a decent starting secondbaseman. Philllips value has always been on defense, and that has stayed strong. All Phillips has to do to earn that contract is average 2.2 WAR a season. This year was his worst WAR as a Red, and it was 2.6.

    After Cano signs, Phillip will look like a bargain.
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    Re: Paul Daugherty says Brandon Phillips is very available

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    .706 OPS

    14:$11M
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    17:$14M

    Gonna have to give somebody away to get that contract off your hands
    A number of big markets teams have a huge need for a 2B. Phillips has enough cache that he can be moved for decent value. Those dollars are what they used to be. Many will see 100 RBI's and GG defence.

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    Re: Paul Daugherty says Brandon Phillips is very available

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    A number of big markets teams have a huge need for a 2B. Phillips has enough cache that he can be moved for decent value. Those dollars are what they used to be. Many will see 100 RBI's and GG defence.
    50 million bucks for a guy who makes outs and is aging will be what others will see

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    Re: Paul Daugherty says Brandon Phillips is very available

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    50 million bucks for a guy who makes outs and is aging will be what others will see
    What others will see is a fan favorite with a dynamic personally that sells tickets and attracts viewers.

    2B is a defensive first position, and even in decline, Phillips is one of, if not the best defensive 2B in the game. $50M for fours years if that is a bargain for most teams. It's a bargain for the Reds, but they need to fill some holes.

    The Reds aren't trying to trade Phillips because of his contract, or because of his spat with CTrent. They are trying to trade Phillips because he will bring back parts the Reds need for next year. No way the Reds do a salary dump with Phillips.
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    Re: Paul Daugherty says Brandon Phillips is very available

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    What others will see is a fan favorite with a dynamic personally that sells tickets and attracts viewers.

    2B is a defensive first position, and even in decline, Phillips is one of, if not the best defensive 2B in the game. $50M for fours years if that is a bargain for most teams. It's a bargain for the Reds, but they need to fill some holes.

    The Reds aren't trying to trade Phillips because of his contract, or because of his spat with CTrent. They are trying to trade Phillips because he will bring back parts the Reds need for next year. No way the Reds do a salary dump with Phillips.
    .701 and the guy has made more outs in the past 4 years than any other NL player, plus he can't seem to not create waves from time to time.

    I like Philips at a lower price and all the platitudes you mention are great, at 50 million over the next few years it seems a little excessive to not mention his downside. As for defense yeah it's defensive position, but it's not SS and it's not CF and it's thin position around the game now, and yes he could help someone else out. But IMO he's hard to move now that they inked that extension

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    Re: Paul Daugherty says Brandon Phillips is very available

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    What others will see is a fan favorite with a dynamic personally that sells tickets and attracts viewers.

    2B is a defensive first position, and even in decline, Phillips is one of, if not the best defensive 2B in the game. $50M for fours years if that is a bargain for most teams. It's a bargain for the Reds, but they need to fill some holes.

    The Reds aren't trying to trade Phillips because of his contract, or because of his spat with CTrent. They are trying to trade Phillips because he will bring back parts the Reds need for next year. No way the Reds do a salary dump with Phillips.
    I agree that you don't move Phillips as a salary dump - you don't do that with any of our frontline talent. If you can bring top-line talent in return for and aging 2B with a sizeable salary then by all means do it. If you don't get what you want, just hold onto him. I think now is time to sell relatively high on BP if you can immprove the club. Selling him before he becomes a 10-5 vet is another reason I'd move him.

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    Re: Paul Daugherty says Brandon Phillips is very available

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    50 million bucks for a guy who makes outs and is aging will be what others will see
    So all we need is a 2nd baseman that doesn't make outs or age... got yea.

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    Re: Paul Daugherty says Brandon Phillips is very available

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon7 View Post
    So all we need is a 2nd baseman that doesn't make outs or age... got yea.
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    Re: Paul Daugherty says Brandon Phillips is very available

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    .706 OPS

    14:$11M
    15:$12M
    16:$13M
    17:$14M

    Gonna have to give somebody away to get that contract off your hands
    Give away.....for example? I think a few dumb teams would gladly see BP's contributions and quite frankly, I don't know how long the chip on the shoulder would last but he might be pretty darn good and exciting to a new club/fan base. He might "improve" a bit offensively with new coaching "Torii Hunter like"

    I won't be sad if he goes.


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