The Reds aren't going to pay, nor should they pay, Shin Soo Choo a nine figure contract. Subtract Choo, Phillips and Arroyo and you've got 35-40M of payflex (10-15M will be needed for the arm eligible arms).
Are the Cardinals trading Michael Wacha? Why exactly again, unless you are a Cardinals or Pirates fan, would the Reds trade a 24 yr old lefty under control until 2020 that posted up +131 ERA ball over 100 innings this season (Wacha was +131 over 65 innings).
Stephenson fills the gap perfecly post 2014/15 for the Reds rotation.
Hamilton - Possible, but unlikely.
The Reds just need to put together a 90-92 win club for 2014 (will be challenging given payroll issues and needs) and then build for a 95 win team from 2015 and beyond.
2015 and beyond
Latos
Cingrani
Any two of Cueto, Leake, Bailey, Chapman
Stephenson
Votto
Bruce
New manager
I'll take my chances every year that an average or above average GM can fill in the bullpen and position gaps at GABP around that core. This house needs some maintenance, but the structure and foundation is in excellent shape. Jocketty needs to be on his game this offseason.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
So if Phillips is moved, which I'm not opposed to in the sense that I'm not opposed to moving anyone depending on the return, how much money do you think the Brewers would be willing to kick in with Rickie Weeks? Not ideal certainly, but I think there's some bounce-back potential there and I'm trying to come up with other second basemen who might be available.
The A's have a couple guys in Lowrie and the other Weeks that are intriguing, but with that I don't know about the availability for either. The reality is that the lack of replacement options likely means Phillips stays put.
"It's still a long way to the top if we want to rock'n'roll, but at least they dumped the tuba player."
--M2
A couple of rough ideas:
Phillips and Chapman to Toronto for Bautista (lineup improves)
Phillips to Chisox for A. Ramirez or G. Beckham (saves money)
Phillips to Seattle for D. Ackley (saves lots of money)
Phillips to NYY for B. Gardner
Phillips and prospect to TEX for Kinsler and prospect
Phillips and Hamilton to WAS for Redon and Span
The Weeks misspell their name.
I am ignorant, what free agents do you have your eye on? And the comparison with the cardinals and Wacha doesn't make sense because cards GM has shown that it will take a huge haul to have our youth, while jocketty has shown he is VERY open to trading young players. This cannot be denied.
The reds won't sign cano or Beltran (he will either be a cardinal or Yankee).
Jocketty has a history of trading the right young players, the players other teams want, but that he doesn't value very highly. With the exception of Dan Haren, Jocketty's been right every time.
The Cards aren't trading Wacha because the have faith he will be valuable to them in the future. The Reds feel the same way about Cingrani, Hamilton and Stephenson.
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Rendon is a very interesting name, and he supposedly is not untouchable. IT sounds as if they'd dangle him for a top arm. Which makes me wonder if they might do Rendon and Storen for Chapman (with perhaps some prospect condiments either way). I like Rendon as a long term bet at either 2B or 3B.Phillips and Hamilton to WAS for Redon and Span
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Given the inherent difficulties in finding a suitor, but also the difficulty in getting a solid return, if the Reds truly want to move Phillips, a three-way trade may prove most suitable.Thoughts?So, we have three teams, all with incentives to make a deal, and possibly with the personnel to make a trade work. Here is how I envision the three-way trade working out:
Reds Trade 2B Brandon Phillips + $15 million and OF Ryan Ludwick to the NY Yankees
Reds trade SP Tony Cingrani to the Tampa Bay Rays
Reds receive SP David Price
NY Yankees Receive 2B Brandon Phillips, $15 million, and OF Ryan Ludwick
Yankees trade OF prospect Mason Williams to the Tampa Bay Rays
Rays trade SP David Price to the Cincinnati Reds
Rays receive OF prospect Mason Williams from NY Yankees
Rays receive SP Tony Cingrani from Rays
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