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    Re: Reds' extremely top-heavy line-up

    The Reds are the Morganna of the National League

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    Re: Reds' extremely top-heavy line-up

    I love Todd Frazier but the fact that he was our best right handed hitter this year and we still made the playoffs is amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    A semantics question: Is the team top heavy or bottom heavy? Shouldn't it be viewed at bottom heavy as more of the players are below average for wRC+ instead of being top or elite contributors?
    Exactly right. Votto, Choo and Bruce aren't the problem.

    If the Reds really want to improve the situation, then upgrading SS, C and the 3rd OF is where you start.
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    Exactly right. Votto, Choo and Bruce aren't the problem.

    If the Reds really want to improve the situation, then upgrading SS, C and the 3rd OF is where you start.
    Choo is a problem.
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    Very interesting thread. The fact that the Reds have only five position players at 100+ wRC+, and that the Pirates, Cards, Braves, and Dodgers all have 8 or 9 guys in that category is very disheartening. However, the Reds did outscore all NL teams in 2013 except the Cardinals and Rockies. Why was that?
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    Re: Reds' extremely top-heavy line-up

    Quote Originally Posted by mbgrayson View Post
    Very interesting thread. The fact that the Reds have only five position players at 100+ wRC+, and that the Pirates, Cards, Braves, and Dodgers all have 8 or 9 guys in that category is very disheartening. However, the Reds did outscore all NL teams in 2013 except the Cardinals and Rockies. Why was that?
    Possibly because the Reds had 2 guys that got on base at a ridiculous rate.

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    To be fair, how many position players drafted by Walt and co are actually playing for the Reds right now?

    Alonso and Grandal are both guys who are high OBP guys.
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    Re: Reds' extremely top-heavy line-up

    Quote Originally Posted by mbgrayson View Post
    Very interesting thread. The fact that the Reds have only five position players at 100+ wRC+, and that the Pirates, Cards, Braves, and Dodgers all have 8 or 9 guys in that category is very disheartening. However, the Reds did outscore all NL teams in 2013 except the Cardinals and Rockies. Why was that?
    Well, as another poster said, the Reds scored so many runs because Choo and Votto were on base so often that even a modest offense would score a bunch. Those two were on base a staggering number of times, a deeper and better all around offense would have probably been dominant.

    The question I have is why the Reds didn't have a better record given the high total runs scored and good run prevention ability. Some possible answers.

    Offense lacked quick strike ability in close games, relatively low SLG and homers for GABP team. Too much dependence on a few hitters who weren't always hot. OBP misleading because built on walks, team didn't hit that much, low BA. Bullpen failures on the road. Weakness against good teams - stats inflated by performance v. weaker clubs.

    These aren't answers, just possible ones. But the question why the Reds underperformed their team stats is interesting.
    Last edited by Kc61; 10-09-2013 at 06:08 PM.

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    Re: Reds' extremely top-heavy line-up

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Choo is a problem.
    Why?
    ". . . acquiring J. Blanton from Oakland for, apparently, Bailey/Cueto, Votto and a lesser prospect. I do it in a second . . . The Reds' equation this year is simple: Make Matt Belisle your #3 starter . . . trade for Blanton, win 85 or more, be in the mix all summer." - Paul Daugherty, Feb. 8, 2008

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    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili View Post
    Why?
    His questionable return as a free agent, especially considering the number of holes already present in the everyday lineup.
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    His questionable return as a free agent, especially considering the number of holes already present in the everyday lineup.
    Correct. Lose him and the project of improving the offense becomes Sisyphean.
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    Re: Reds' extremely top-heavy line-up

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Correct. Lose him and the project of improving the offense becomes Sisyphean.
    Yep. It's going to be a daunting task to replace him. Impossible, actually.
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    Re: Reds' extremely top-heavy line-up

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Correct. Lose him and the project of improving the offense becomes Sisyphean.

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