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    Re: Would You Make a Qualifying Offer to Arroyo?

    My question:

    If they offer, and he declines, but after shopping around free agency, decides to come back, do the Reds still get a compensatory pick?

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    Re: Would You Make a Qualifying Offer to Arroyo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    My question:

    If they offer, and he declines, but after shopping around free agency, decides to come back, do the Reds still get a compensatory pick?
    No.
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    Re: Would You Make a Qualifying Offer to Arroyo?

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    I think the Reds think trading Bailey is a desired result.
    If that is the case then the Reds are not smart unless they have an absolutely guaranteed #2 replacement for him, which well, they can't possibly have.

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    Re: Would You Make a Qualifying Offer to Arroyo?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    If that is the case then the Reds are not smart unless they have an absolutely guaranteed #2 replacement for him, which well, they can't possibly have.
    Nothing is guaranteed, but he likely won't be missed with a rotation of Cueto, Latos, Cingrani, Leake, and Chapman and either Arroyo or another vet innings eater.
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    Re: Would You Make a Qualifying Offer to Arroyo?

    Quote Originally Posted by bob jones View Post
    big mistake the kind of m istake the cardinals NEVER make
    How much are they paying Chris Carpenter this season?

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    Re: Would You Make a Qualifying Offer to Arroyo?

    Reds simply cannot risk Arroyo accepting a $14 million contract. They need the salary room for other shopping.

    A qualifying offer also makes it harder for BA to find a deal elsewhere. Just like with Lohse last year. Nobody wants to give up the picks. He could ultimately be forced to accept the qualifying offer.

    I think it's a pretty easy call. Thanks, Bronson, but we can't risk a $14 million deal for next year. No offer.

    But you make the qualifying offer to Choo.
    Last edited by Kc61; 10-12-2013 at 12:05 AM.

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    Re: Would You Make a Qualifying Offer to Arroyo?

    Voted Yes. No way does Bronson accept it IMO. From the way he has talked I think he would feel insulted by the Reds offering only one year and would in no way want to come back. I feel like he would take the extra 10 million in guaranteed money somewhere he wants to be for something like 3/25. Again maybe he gets less but he will have no time whatsoever to weigh through all the offers. He will probably get his best offers close to spring training.

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    Re: Would You Make a Qualifying Offer to Arroyo?

    One thing to consider. Arroyo wants to pitch for awhile longer. Money might not as big of an issue for him as years, since whoever signs him to a multi year deal, will likely keep him on the team for the length of the contract. If he gets a three year deal, he's likely to pitch for three more years, no matter how he regresses.
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    Re: Would You Make a Qualifying Offer to Arroyo?

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    One thing to consider. Arroyo wants to pitch for awhile longer. Money might not as big of an issue for him as years, since whoever signs him to a multi year deal, will likely keep him on the team for the length of the contract. If he gets a three year deal, he's likely to pitch for three more years, no matter how he regresses.
    I think 1 year at $14.1Mil is a lot more tempting than 3 years at $21Mil regardless of the extra years.

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    Re: Would You Make a Qualifying Offer to Arroyo?

    It's not my money but I tend to think that Castellini is going to mandate a budget of some type. I don't know if that's $70 million... $100 million ... $130 million. But regardless, the Reds will have a budget.

    You can buy a really, really good player for $14 million. You can get multiple above average players for that. If the Reds make the qualifying offer to Arroyo and he accepts (which I suspect he would), that would be a huge punch in the stomach. Not fatal, but it would hurt a lot.

    By the way, Fangraphs values Arroyo's 2013 season at $3.8 million. That might be a bit low, but his annual value is much closer to that than $14.1 million.
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    Re: Would You Make a Qualifying Offer to Arroyo?

    I voted no. Too close to risk. Time to move on. It's best for both of us.

    Thanks a million, Bronson.

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    Re: Would You Make a Qualifying Offer to Arroyo?

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    No.
    Didn't think so. Thanks.

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    Re: Would You Make a Qualifying Offer to Arroyo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Reds simply cannot risk Arroyo accepting a $14 million contract. They need the salary room for other shopping.

    A qualifying offer also makes it harder for BA to find a deal elsewhere. Just like with Lohse last year. Nobody wants to give up the picks. He could ultimately be forced to accept the qualifying offer.

    I think it's a pretty easy call. Thanks, Bronson, but we can't risk a $14 million deal for next year. No offer.

    But you make the qualifying offer to Choo.
    Correct me -- I thought I read there would be no pick assigned to Choo -- something about his being traded with one year left on his contract.

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    Re: Would You Make a Qualifying Offer to Arroyo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Raindog View Post
    Correct me -- I thought I read there would be no pick assigned to Choo -- something about his being traded with one year left on his contract.

    As long as a player is acquired before opening day, he requires compensation if his team makes a qualifying offer.
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    Re: Would You Make a Qualifying Offer to Arroyo?

    Make Arroyo the QO, he's done well enough to deserve it. He may very well turn it down but the Kyle Lohse deal from last winter may have changed the whole thought process for this new rule. guy couldn't get a decent deal from a decent team and ended up in Milwaukee through 2015 making less than the QO.

    Arroyo should get a decent offer in the FA market, there are a LOT of teams that would plug him into the #2 or #3 spot in their rotation.


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