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    10.14.03 - Ten Years Ago Today, Steve Bartman Made History

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    He was a diehard Cubs fan, the sort who listens to the radio while at the game, and he had one of the best seats in the house. The Cubs were on the verge of the World Series. It should've been the happiest moment of his life.

    Today is the 10th anniversary of the Cubs' NLCS choke, helped along by Bartman deflecting a foul ball, with Moises Alou unknowingly bringing the wrath of a city down on the poor guy. He almost immediately went into hiding, and now belongs more to the realm of myth.
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    Re: 10.14.03 - Ten Years Ago Today, Steve Bartman Made History

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
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    For my money, the greatest marriage of superstition, comedy and tragedy in the history of professional baseball.
    Highly recommend the ESPN 30 fo 30 special 'Catching Hell.' Very good documentary on Steve Bartman and ties to Bill Buckner too.
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    Re: 10.14.03 - Ten Years Ago Today, Steve Bartman Made History

    Always felt bad for the guy. There were a bunch of fans around the ball who acted just as dumb as him, but for some reason, he got singled out. He wasn't even the only fan to touch the ball. He's outfit probably made him an easy target.
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    Re: 10.14.03 - Ten Years Ago Today, Steve Bartman Made History

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Always felt bad for the guy. There were a bunch of fans around the ball who acted just as dumb as him, but for some reason, he got singled out. He wasn't even the only fan to touch the ball. He's outfit probably made him an easy target.
    I don't know why you say he and those other fans acted "dumb"? They are Cubs fans so being dumb is a given but all they saw was a ball coming their way. They were looking up in the air as the ball was coming towards them. Alou is hidden by the wall so they don't have the advantage of TV to see that he's going for the ball.

    Alou was partially at fault since in the heat of the moment he blamed whoever knocked the ball out of his reach. Thom Brennaman and Steve Lyons and whoever was the directory of the game were mainly at fault for continuing to focus on Bartman and basically blame him for the play.

    You have to give Bartman some credit. He has avoided any attention over the last 10 years for this. A lesser man would have sold his story and sought attention.
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    I think if he waited a year and went out in public like a normal person this would have blown over long ago. I really doubt Chicagoans would beat the man up or something if they saw him on the street.

    To me the main culprits for this are Mr. Thom Brennaman, Steve Lyons and the Fox producers. They should have just mentioned it and immediately moved on.

    I am not sure how many people have been watching the Tigers/Red Sox series, but the way they have been handling it has just been a complete joke. There are more shots of upset fans and fans wearing fake beards than the actual players. McCarver is just absolutely brutal on the mic, and Joe Buck is not much better. I truly believe Major League Baseball needs to step in and force fox to change their Postseason Baseball coverage, it is just flat out bad for the sport.
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    Re: 10.14.03 - Ten Years Ago Today, Steve Bartman Made History

    I still feel sorry for the guy. He did what every one of us would have done....went after a foul ball. As said before, the media has this square on them for continually replaying everything... and the announcers for constantly stirring the pot.

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    That is Baseball Fan 101. I've known since I was 10 years old and started watching Tony Kubek and Curt Gowdy on TV and listening to Marty and Joe on radio that if you are fortunate enough to have front-row seats you make sure of 2 things on a foul ball hit into the stands. If the ball is hit by the home team, you do everything you can to keep the fielder from catching it. If the ball is hit by the visiting team, you get out of the way and give your guy a chance to catch it.

    In the old days, Moises Alou wouldn't have had to let it be known that Bartman did something wrong.

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    Re: 10.14.03 - Ten Years Ago Today, Steve Bartman Made History

    He was offered some ridiculous amount of money to come and sign just one autograph at this years National Sports Collectors show, but did not go.
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    Re: 10.14.03 - Ten Years Ago Today, Steve Bartman Made History

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    To me the main culprits for this are Mr. Thom Brennaman, Steve Lyons and the Fox producers. They should have just mentioned it and immediately moved on.
    MLB Network replayed the game earlier this afternoon. Bartman had to have a police escort to get out of the stadium. He was treated terribly by fans, who had no idea what Brennaman or Lyons said on the air. The poor guy looked like one of those celebrities who cover their faces with clothing to avoid being seen on TV when they are arrested.

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    Re: 10.14.03 - Ten Years Ago Today, Steve Bartman Made History

    I always thought it was pretty stupid everyone blamed him. When you're at a game and a fly ball is hit toward you, you're not watching the fielder, you're watching the ball.

    Anyone would have tried to catch that, as many of the fans next to Bartman did as well. Alou was a big baby about it, and the Cubs proceeded to choke like they always do.

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    Re: 10.14.03 - Ten Years Ago Today, Steve Bartman Made History

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm Chortleton View Post
    If the ball is hit by the home team, you do everything you can to keep the fielder from catching it. If the ball is hit by the visiting team, you get out of the way and give your guy a chance to catch it.g.
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    Re: 10.14.03 - Ten Years Ago Today, Steve Bartman Made History

    Quote Originally Posted by George Anderson View Post
    If fans interfere with a catch its fan interference and thus an out.
    No out was called on the Bartman play. No out was called in the A's-Tigers game last week. Both balls would have been caught, IMO, if fans don't get involved.

    No out was called when Fielder went into the stands last night. If those were Detroit fans they would have gotten out of the way and he makes the play rather easily. But they were Boston fans and although they didn't keep him from catching it, they got in his way enough that he didn't make the play.

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    Re: 10.14.03 - Ten Years Ago Today, Steve Bartman Made History

    Quote Originally Posted by Old NDN View Post
    I still feel sorry for the guy. He did what every one of us would have done....went after a foul ball. As said before, the media has this square on them for continually replaying everything... and the announcers for constantly stirring the pot.
    This is so true. I have no love for the cubs but this guy paid for some good tickets to his teams possible pennant clinching game. If I recall correctly, the Tribune printed his address either the next day or the following day - how stupid was that? His house started getting death threats so there were puh-lenty of people that were going for him personally.

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    Re: 10.14.03 - Ten Years Ago Today, Steve Bartman Made History

    Generally, if I'm sitting in the first row, I won't try to make a catch because a fielder might have a chance at it. Lots of people instinctively do try though, and I don't think they should be blamed for interfering.

    The jerks who push little kids out of the way to catch foul balls should be ejected from the park on the other hand. I saw it happen once, and everyone sitting around him booed and heckled him for a few innings.

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