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    *Offseason Outlook: Cincinnati Reds

    Guaranteed contracts:

    Joey Votto, 1B: $225MM through 2023
    Brandon Phillips, 2B: $50MM through 2017
    Jay Bruce, OF: $37.5MM through 2016
    Jonathan Broxton, RP: $17MM through 2015
    Sean Marshall, RP: $12MM through 2015
    Ryan Ludwick, OF: $12MM through 2014
    Johnny Cueto, SP: $10.8MM through 2014
    Mat Latos, SP: $7.25MM through 2014
    Jack Hannahan, INF: $3MM through 2014
    Logan Ondrusek, RP: $1.35MM through 2014

    Arbitration Eligible Players (service time in parentheses)

    Homer Bailey, SP (5.017): $9.3MM
    Mike Leake, SP (4.000): $5.9MM
    Aroldis Chapman, RP (3.034): $4.6MM
    Ryan Hanigan, C (5.077): $2.3MM
    Chris Heisey, OF (3.157): $1.7MM
    Alfredo Simon, RP (4.142): $1.6MM
    Sam LeCure, RP (3.072): $1MM
    Xavier Paul, OF (3.119): $1MM
    Corky Miller, C (4.111): $700K (non-tender candidate)

    Free Agents

    Shin-Soo Choo, Bronson Arroyo, Nick Masset, Manny Parra, Cesar Izturis, Zach Duke


    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/1...nati-reds.html

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    In any case, the outcome of the Reds' offseason may hinge on Choo and Phillips. Choo's suitors could include everyone from the Cubs to the Mets to the Astros. GM Walt Jocketty has said that re-signing Choo might be tricky. But the Reds might be able to manage it, perhaps by saving money in a Phillips trade and allowing Arroyo to depart via free agency.

    For Phillips, one destination could be Atlanta, with the Braves potentially shipping Dan Uggla and a prospect to Cincinnati. Uggla's home-run power would likely play well at the Great American Ballpark, but he would be a big defensive downgrade, and he hit .179/.309/.362 last season. The Reds would have to make up the difference between Phillips and Uggla elsewhere on the diamond, and that wouldn't be easy. Phillips may give the Reds headaches, but by attempting to trade him, they may just be creating another one. Despite playing a corner outfielder in center field, the Reds led baseball in defensive efficiency in 2013. Their fielding was a boon for their pitchers, who posted an ERA nearly half a run lower than their FIP. It would be odd if the Reds began their offseason by replacing one of their most valuable defensive players.

    The Uggla rumor might be an unlikely one -- he wouldn't save the Reds money, at least not through 2015, so swapping him for Phillips would be an unambiguous step backwards for the Reds that wouldn't give them much chance of making up for it in the short term. But in any case, the Reds will have to be creative this offseason. They could sign a starting pitcher, then deal from their rotation depth for help in the outfield. Bailey, who is set for free agency after the 2014 season, is a wild card; the Reds could trade him, or try to sign him to a long-term deal. The Reds begin their offseason with a number of balls in the air, and when April comes, it's unclear who will be around to catch them.

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    Thanks for posting, but I do want to point out that this is a MLBTR original piece, written by a Pirates fan.

    https://twitter.com/WilmothC


    I'm not trying to say he is biased, only pointing out where is perspective is coming from.

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    If Uggla ends up coming to Cincinnati, it better be because they're putting the DH into the NL and he's only going to be that for the Reds. I don't want him anywhere near second base unless he hits a double or is rounding the base during his HR trot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeatherC1212 View Post
    If Uggla ends up coming to Cincinnati, it better be because they're putting the DH into the NL and he's only going to be that for the Reds. I don't want him anywhere near second base unless he hits a double or is rounding the base during his HR trot.
    But just think how much we could actually learn about the relative importance of 2B defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malcontent View Post
    But just think how much we could actually learn about the relative importance of 2B defense.
    I betcha the ground lost by putting Uggla on the field could be made up by having better defenders in the outfield...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    I betcha the ground lost by putting Uggla on the field could be made up by having better defenders in the outfield...
    I really think Hamilton has to be the starting CF. IMO, you can't waste any more of the incomparable speed that he possesses by further seasoning in the minors.

    That immediately upgrades CF, significantly. After that I guess we can hope Choo would like to be the Cincinnati LF.

    Ludwick could be moved, but could spell Choo against LHP and would in any event be a nice bat off the bench.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malcontent View Post
    I really think Hamilton has to be the starting CF. IMO, you can't waste any more of the incomparable speed that he possesses by further seasoning in the minors.

    That immediately upgrades CF, significantly. After that I guess we can hope Choo would like to be the Cincinnati LF.

    Ludwick could be moved, but could spell Choo against LHP and would in any event be a nice bat off the bench.
    FWIW, those who said Billy has faced unproven pitching I have some numbers for you.

    Games that Billy started:

    Billy 0.500 (7-14)
    Joey 0.170 (2-12)
    Choo 0.200 (1-5)
    Bruce 0.550 (6-11)
    Phillips 0.140 (2-14)

    Games in which Billy got an AB (batters may have faced different pitchers):

    Billy 0.368 (7-19)
    Joey 0.25 (6-24)
    Choo 0.111 (2-18)
    Bruce 0.308 (8-26)
    Phillips 0.160 (4-25)

    Yes Billy has a small sample size, but in that sample size, he hit better than 3 All Stars and 1 All Star snub. I am sure teams will figure him out and that average drops, especially given the Louisville numbers, but he still showed that he could hit.

    The really telling stat to me is that when he starts, he hits pretty well, versus the pinch hitting and late game replacements where he didn't get one hit. Overall, I think that Billy probably hits better when he gets a couple ABs in a game. I think that come March, Billy has to be on the major league roster. There is only so much someone can develop in AAA. Greg Reynolds was considered one of the best AAA pitchers last year and we know how he turned out in the majors. I think Billy gets better hitting in the majors. I wouldn't just rush him into the leadoff spot for 600+ PAs. But I would definitely give him 2 to 3 starts a week. I think that gets him used to the majors and I think everyone knows how dangerous he can be off the bench. I mean the Reds were 27-22 in 1-run games. Could you imagine how different that record might be if Billy was ready to steal on the bench?
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    Hanigan was obviously playing hurt last year and had some bad luck at the plate. Does no one remember he's usually good for .260/.350/.330? Does nobody remember that only a year ago people wanted him in the 2 hole? There is no way he had just fallen off the cliff this fast unless it's mainly injury.

    I'm not saying he has to start every day, but I doubt we'll find another catcher who can catch the staff this well, play solid defense and get on base 1/3 of the time.

    Heisey I'm all for trading. With his tools and the flashes of good playing he's done, someone will want to take a look at him. He was clutch off the bench not that long ago.

    I just hope we bring in a hitting coach that can get the most out of these guys. Some of these guys had amazing seasons 2 or 4 years ago and now look awful. I think a lot of that has to do with coaching...everyone seemed to have a different agenda at the plate this year. Hopefully Price can get these guys back on the same page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshua View Post
    Hanigan was obviously playing hurt last year and had some bad luck at the plate. Does no one remember he's usually good for .260/.350/.330? Does nobody remember that only a year ago people wanted him in the 2 hole? There is no way he had just fallen off the cliff this fast unless it's mainly injury.

    I'm not saying he has to start every day, but I doubt we'll find another catcher who can catch the staff this well, play solid defense and get on base 1/3 of the time.


    I can't speak for everyone else who wants Hanigan traded. I will say that on this team he may be a really bad fit. Devin Mesoraco will need to catch at least 4/5 of the time for the team to know what he is before he starts costing real money. How will Mesoraco be given that chance with Hanigan looming over his shoulder, and maybe even catching 2/5 if not 3/5 of the time.

    Catchers Hanigan's age due fall off quickly, and usually ugly. When it goes it goes. Also his numbers have trended down 3 straight seasons.


    All that said, I don't hate Hanigan, I just really believe he is a very bad fit moving forward once cost and production come into play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshua View Post
    Hanigan was obviously playing hurt last year and had some bad luck at the plate. Does no one remember he's usually good for .260/.350/.330? Does nobody remember that only a year ago people wanted him in the 2 hole? There is no way he had just fallen off the cliff this fast unless it's mainly injury.

    I'm not saying he has to start every day, but I doubt we'll find another catcher who can catch the staff this well, play solid defense and get on base 1/3 of the time.

    Heisey I'm all for trading. With his tools and the flashes of good playing he's done, someone will want to take a look at him. He was clutch off the bench not that long ago.

    I just hope we bring in a hitting coach that can get the most out of these guys. Some of these guys had amazing seasons 2 or 4 years ago and now look awful. I think a lot of that has to do with coaching...everyone seemed to have a different agenda at the plate this year. Hopefully Price can get these guys back on the same page.
    Hanigan is 34. He's not going to be injured less. Nagging stuff compounds as guys age. These weren't freak injuries but wear and tear. Cut bait, get a solid lefty bat to share the spot with Mes and make that position really productive. Right now 1b and RF are the only productive spots on the field. Mes' success against LHP is a good start at catcher. A platoon lefty would be a good start. Catchers don't start 150 games anyhow. It's the perfect spot to take advantage of platoon splits.
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    I've come around to replacing Hanigan with a strong offensive left handed catcher. Short of that, I keep him, as I don't think 2 million is an over pay for his excellent defense and knowledge of our staff and divisional opponents. I'd also be willing to trade Mez and keep Hanigan with these considerations in mind and depending on the return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    I've come around to replacing Hanigan with a strong offensive left handed catcher. Short of that, I keep him, as I don't think 2 million is an over pay for his excellent defense and knowledge of our staff and divisional opponents. I'd also be willing to trade Mez and keep Hanigan with these considerations in mind and depending on the return.


    I don't think Mesoraco is a defensive butcher out there though. And I don't understand the sentiment of trading a young, albeit unproven talent like Mesoraco for keeping a best case nearly done Hanigan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PepperJack View Post
    I don't think Mesoraco is a defensive butcher out there though. And I don't understand the sentiment of trading a young, albeit unproven talent like Mesoraco for keeping a best case nearly done Hanigan.
    It would take quite a replacement to fill the role of primary catcher that Mez is heading to assume at some point. I think Salty could be a good fit. But if the return for Mez is good enough to effect improvement in 2014 and 2015, I'd consider it.


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