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    Michael wacha

    This will be short. Anyone still think Walt should have drafted Travieso instead of Wacha? BIGGEST MISTAKE of Jocketty's time with the Reds. We are going to watch the Cards win yet ANOTHER World Series.

    If we had Wacha, we'd be able to let Arroyo walk in FA and trade Bailey for prospects and still have the luxury of having Cingrani and Wacha to insert in the rotation for 2014.

    Now we have to deal with Wacha in the St Louis rotation for the next decade.

    Wainwright
    Miller
    Wacha
    Lynn
    Kelly
    Garcia

    They are the better team. Better farm and better scouting department. Better offense and better approach at the plate. Just a superior organization than the Reds.

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    Pick 19 of the draft so 18 others missed the boat too. Travieso to Wacha is the new Stubbs to Lincecum.

    Trout was #25 in 2009.

    Surely he won't put up a 0.00 ERA in 2014 - or will he?


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    Re: Michael wacha

    First of all, you could say something similar about literally every team in almost every draft ever.

    Second, Wacha has pitched less than 65 regular season innings. Remember how unhittable Leake looked after his first half season in the majors? Obviously, Wacha has better stuff than Leake, but let the league get a book on the guy before you declare him the second coming of Cy Young.

    Finally, Travieso isn't even a bust yet. He was actually pretty decent in limited action last season and is still in his teens. He could wind up being a a solid SP. It's way to early to judge.

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    Re: Michael wacha

    What's really funny is that the Cardinals get an extra "competitive balance" pick in next year's draft. With 8 LCS appearances in 14 seasons. While the Reds don't.

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    Re: Michael wacha

    Wacha was nothing short of amazing this season. Gotta tip your hats to the Cards.

    I'm still hoping they lose the Series, but you have to admit they've earned everything they've achieved this season. What a great pitching staff.

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    Re: Michael wacha

    Quote Originally Posted by oregonred View Post
    Travieso to Wacha is the new Stubbs to Lincecum.
    I'm not going to argue otherwise.
    Everything is perfect, but there is a lot of room for improvement. --- Shunryu Suzuki-roshi

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    Re: Michael wacha

    Quote Originally Posted by jhiller21 View Post
    Wacha was nothing short of amazing this season. Gotta tip your hats to the Cards.
    Agreed. Still, they needed a bit of luck for him to be there at 19.

    As in Buckley taking a flyer on Travieso.
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    Re: Michael wacha

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Swagger View Post
    This will be short. Anyone still think Walt should have drafted Travieso instead of Wacha? BIGGEST MISTAKE of Jocketty's time with the Reds. We are going to watch the Cards win yet ANOTHER World Series.

    If we had Wacha, we'd be able to let Arroyo walk in FA and trade Bailey for prospects and still have the luxury of having Cingrani and Wacha to insert in the rotation for 2014.

    Now we have to deal with Wacha in the St Louis rotation for the next decade.

    Wainwright
    Miller
    Wacha
    Lynn
    Kelly
    Garcia

    They are the better team. Better farm and better scouting department. Better offense and better approach at the plate. Just a superior organization than the Reds.
    Latos
    Bailey
    Leake
    Cingrani
    Stephenson
    Cueto
    Chapman?

    Let the chips fall...

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    Re: Michael wacha

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    Latos
    Bailey
    Leake
    Cingrani
    Stephenson
    Cueto
    Chapman?

    Let the chips fall...
    Reds are in good shape through 2015 - although Bailey (2014), Latos, Cueto, Leake (2015) and Chapman (2016) diminishing years of control give the clear edge to the Cardinals at this point with Wainwright's LTC and low service time for most of the others. Getting Latos inked in the offseason to a LTC instead of another tatoo would change the equation.

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    Re: Michael wacha

    [sarcasticcrazyranttag]

    Every team is a bunch of idiots. All of them.

    If we are going to do stuff like this every single time someone turns into a good player.

    Dustin Pedroia went in the 2nd round of the 2004 draft. Only Justin Verlander has more career WAR from that year. Every team is a bunch of idiots, even the Tigers because they could have had Verlander AND Pedroia but wound up with Verlander and some dude who never played in the Majors.

    Austin Jackson went in the 8th round in 2005. Can't believe how many idiots working in front offices picked players who never even made the Majors ahead of him!

    Chris Davis. 5th rounder in 2006. MLB is full of idiots who can't draft well.

    Giancarlo Stanton went 76th overall in 2007. 76th! The player drafted directly in front of him retired to become a priest, and I don't mean something about the Padres. Fools. All of baseball.

    Craig Kimbrel went in the 3rd round in 2008. HAHAHAHAHAHA! I can't believe how these people still have jobs.

    It was already mentioned, but yeah, Mike Trout went 25th overall and everyone should be fired for it. We could have had Mike Trout. Why isn't anyone throwing a fit over that one?

    Taijuan Walker went 43rd overall in 2010. Now he is sitting around as one of the top pitching prospects in the game! Of course it makes sense how he lasted so long since we have clearly fired everyone who has ever scouted and drafted for not picking the most perfect player for every last spot in the draft.

    In 2011 the Reds pulled Robert Stephenson out of a hat at 27. The guy who went directly in front of him hit 2 home runs in nearly a full season this year.

    The good news is, there should be plenty of scouting jobs open around baseball guys, so get your resumes ready. The bad news is, you are going to be out of a job really soon because you are going to pick the wrong player.

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    Re: Michael wacha

    In no way do I condone this thread existing at all, but I am willing to admit this Wacha fella looks really impressive.

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    Wacha Wacha Wacha. Reminds me of Shakira. And for that I thank him.
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    Re: Michael wacha

    Setting aside Wacha for a moment. The problem has been generally that Reds' drafting and development has been just so-so when it's needed to be excellent in order to stand a chance in this division. The Reds are never going to have the Cards money, and they're going to be fairly slow moving and conservative in terms of manipulating the roster and targeting trades (as long as Jocketty's here). The one area though where they really could and must dominate is in drafting and development, and the results have been awfully mixed. Just can't sustain that in this division.

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    Re: Michael wacha

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    [sarcasticcrazyranttag]

    Taijuan Walker went 43rd overall in 2010. Now he is sitting around as one of the top pitching prospects in the game! Of course it makes sense how he lasted so long since we have clearly fired everyone who has ever scouted and drafted for not picking the most perfect player for every last spot in the draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Setting aside Wacha for a moment. The problem has been generally that Reds' drafting and development has been just so-so when it's needed to be excellent in order to stand a chance in this division. The Reds are never going to have the Cards money, and they're going to be fairly slow moving and conservative in terms of manipulating the roster and targeting trades (as long as Jocketty's here). The one area though where they really could and must dominate is in drafting and development, and the results have been awfully mixed. Just can't sustain that in this division.
    Strip Reds developed players from their 25 man roster. It's not so pretty anymore.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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