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    Hanigan may bounce back, but even if he does he won't have power. The Reds really could use more thump. If I'm Jocketty/Price I need to be a lot farther along that Mes may turn the corner. I like your ideas on lower cost solutions. That strikes me as the more likely route for the Reds to take.

    McCann's the Cadillac solution. If one big money team gets interested (and the Yankees certainly could use the guy), his price tag is going to blow up. The Reds probably can't get him. That said, I'm pretty sure he's the free agent who'd have the biggest impact on the Reds' lineup. So, back to what you were saying, who else can give you McCann's kind of pop from behind the plate?
    The Reds could use more thump, but I don't think catcher is the position to search for it. Catching is a position where defense is at a premium. I'd rather have a light-hitting defensive wiz than a declining catcher who was known for his offense, especially at the price tag McCann will demand (possibly more than Molina for some silly reason). An organization like the Reds needs to get "thump" from the corner outfield and infield positions. I'd rather see upgrades at LF and 3B than at catcher.

    And where would McCann play in a few years when his knees start to go? He's not playing first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beltway View Post
    The Reds could use more thump, but I don't think catcher is the position to search for it. Catching is a position where defense is at a premium. I'd rather have a light-hitting defensive wiz than a declining catcher who was known for his offense, especially at the price tag McCann will demand (possibly more than Molina for some silly reason). An organization like the Reds needs to get "thump" from the corner outfield and infield positions. I'd rather see upgrades at LF and 3B than at catcher.

    And where would McCann play in a few years when his knees start to go? He's not playing first.
    Todd Frazier was 9th among MLB 3Bs in HR. Unless you've got a plan to land Miguel Cabrera, Pedro Alvarez, Evan Longoria, Adrian Beltre or Ryan Zimmerman, then you're probably not going to get a lot more HR thump than Frazier can provide. And you're certainly not going to get it at a better price point than Frazier.

    As for LF, it's tied to CF. Do the Reds re-sign Choo? If so, does he play LF or CF? The long-term answer in CF looks to be Billy Hamilton and he is no power hitter. So the Reds ultimately aren't going to be gaining a lot of thump in the OF. Bruce + Hamilton + Choo-level power leaves them roughly where they were in 2013.

    So there's LF and 3B out the window in terms of piling on a lot of extra power. Meanwhile the Reds were 27th in MLB for HRs and SLG from catchers. Point being, if you aren't willing to add thump behind the plate on this team yet you still want to add power for the long-term, then I suggest trading Billy Hamilton.
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    Mes is hitting 16 hr's per 162, McCann 126. 10 hr's isn't anything to sneeze at. But you consider that McCann is probably entering his twilight and Mes entering his prime and that gap could shrink.

    Reds LF's hit 14 homers. I think that would be an easier and cheaper place to find 10 homers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Todd Frazier was 9th among MLB 3Bs in HR. Unless you've got a plan to land Miguel Cabrera, Pedro Alvarez, Evan Longoria, Adrian Beltre or Ryan Zimmerman, then you're probably not going to get a lot more HR thump than Frazier can provide. And you're certainly not going to get it at a better price point than Frazier.

    As for LF, it's tied to CF. Do the Reds re-sign Choo? If so, does he play LF or CF? The long-term answer in CF looks to be Billy Hamilton and he is no power hitter. So the Reds ultimately aren't going to be gaining a lot of thump in the OF. Bruce + Hamilton + Choo-level power leaves them roughly where they were in 2013.

    So there's LF and 3B out the window in terms of piling on a lot of extra power. Meanwhile the Reds were 27th in MLB for HRs and SLG from catchers. Point being, if you aren't willing to add thump behind the plate on this team yet you still want to add power for the long-term, then I suggest trading Billy Hamilton.
    You're being selective with your choice of stats. Frazier may have been 9th in HRs, but he was 12th in SLG, 14th in OPS, and 15th in wOBA. Who could the Reds get to replace Frazier? I'd like to see Walt go after Chase Headley. You're not going to get a lot more HRs from Headley, but "thumping" isn't just HRs. I think Headley could thrive at the GABP after spending so many seasons at Petco.

    Any upgrades are going to cost money. I worry more about McCann aging than Headley. McCann isn't a great defensive catcher in the first place, and he's probably going to get 5+ years. If he's still catching after 5 years, I doubt he's doing it very well.

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    You're being selective with your choice of stats. Frazier may have been 9th in HRs, but he was 12th in SLG, 14th in OPS, and 15th in wOBA. Who could the Reds get to replace Frazier? I'd like to see Walt go after Chase Headley. You're not going to get a lot more HRs from Headley, but "thumping" isn't just HRs. I think Headley could thrive at the GABP after spending so many seasons at Petco.

    Any upgrades are going to cost money. I worry more about McCann aging than Headley. McCann isn't a great defensive catcher in the first place, and he's probably going to get 5+ years. If he's still catching after 5 years, I doubt he's doing it very well.
    Of course I was being selective. I was talking about addressing the team's power issues. FWIW, if Frazier's BA rebounds to even .265, then he's got plenty of thump (and Chase Headley really doesn't).

    I get not wanting to invest that many years in a 30+ catcher. I'm not saying they have to sign the guy, but when I look at this roster I don't see anything that could have a bigger potential impact than adding power at catcher. The Reds don't really have that many spots where they can get a major power upgrade.
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    I'd love to get McCann. This team is fresh out of payroll space.

    What ails the Reds (upgrades on a budget) likely won't be fixed by a GM like Jocketty.

    I expect a very slow, quiet offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I'd love to get McCann. This team is fresh out of payroll space.

    What ails the Reds (upgrades on a budget) likely won't be fixed by a GM like Jocketty.

    I expect a very slow, quiet offseason.
    I suspect you're 100% wrong about that. We'll see. Jocketty doesn't spend money just because he's got it, but the Reds didn't lose that competitive balance draft pick for nothing. 4th highest all-time attendance, new MLB TV contract revenues kicking in for 2014, sponsorship and other league revenues also likely on the rise.

    I've got a feeling the Reds might surprise us with a few moves/contracts this winter. Hopefully they turn out to be good contracts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I suspect you're 100% wrong about that. We'll see. Jocketty doesn't spend money just because he's got it, but the Reds didn't lose that competitive balance draft pick for nothing. 4th highest all-time attendance, new MLB TV contract revenues kicking in for 2014, sponsorship and other league revenues also likely on the rise.

    I've got a feeling the Reds might surprise us with a few moves/contracts this winter. Hopefully they turn out to be good contracts.
    If there were big money contracts on the horizon (or the flexibility inherent in a an expected windfall) I can't imagine the Reds standing totally pat at this season's trade deadline. All evidence on the ground points to very little payroll room. Doesn't mean trades can't be made, but they're also really short on prospects.

    I'll say this: if Walt can navigate this offseason's straits and produce a 90 win team, he's earned his place among the greats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    If there were big money contracts on the horizon (or the flexibility inherent in a an expected windfall) I can't imagine the Reds standing totally pat at this season's trade deadline. All evidence on the ground points to very little payroll room. Doesn't mean trades can't be made, but they're also really short on prospects.

    I'll say this: if Walt can navigate this offseason's straits and produce a 90 win team, he's earned his place among the greats.
    The entire deadline was DOA this year. The problem with modern GMs is they've fallen in love with the poker player analogy and they all try to bluff their way through the summer no matter how bad their cards may be. Not much Jocketty can do when teams like the Twins, Mariners, Padres and DBacks are demanding king's ransoms for supporting players.

    I'd say all evidence points to a constipated market.
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    Re: Brian McCann

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Todd Frazier was 9th among MLB 3Bs in HR. Unless you've got a plan to land Miguel Cabrera, Pedro Alvarez, Evan Longoria, Adrian Beltre or Ryan Zimmerman, then you're probably not going to get a lot more HR thump than Frazier can provide. And you're certainly not going to get it at a better price point than Frazier.
    Do you think Chase Headley will bounce back, and is he a good "buy low" candidate?

    I think it's a good bet that the answer to the first question is 'YES' (spring training injury; no power most of year; near 1.000 OPS in month of September), but I have no idea about the answer to the second question.

    Edit - I missed the post above where you're not high on Headley. I dunno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitri View Post
    I wonder what it would take to nab a guy like John Jaso from the A's? Not a lot of thump but a Mes/Jaso platoon would be very productive. Maybe try to get Beane to package Jaso and a guy like Reddick for Cueto. I know it's a reserve-Beane move but my guess is he looks for a true hammer to make a difference in the rotation and guys like Cueto and Bailey are on his short list. A's/Reds match up well this offseason.
    Love Jaso's game, but so do the A's. If the A's make him available, I'd worry that they know his concussion problem is really serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili View Post
    Do you think Chase Headley will bounce back, and is he a good "buy low" candidate?

    I think it's a good bet that the answer to the first question is 'YES' (spring training injury; no power most of year; near 1.000 OPS in month of September), but I have no idea about the answer to the second question.

    Edit - I missed the post above where you're not high on Headley. I dunno.
    I thought his 2012 smacked of fluke. Maybe because he'll be in a free agent push next year he could re-fluke, but how much are you going to trade for one year of 3B whose standard season is something you can get from your current 3B who comes at 1/10 the price?
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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I thought his 2012 smacked of fluke. Maybe because he'll be in a free agent push next year he could re-fluke, but how much are you going to trade for one year of 3B whose standard season is something you can get from your current 3B who comes at 1/10 the price?
    There's definitely a limit. I don't know exactly what the limit is. But by comparison, even if Didi Gregorius turns into an all-star shortstop, I still love the Choo trade even if it turns out we only get him for one year. I will especially like it if they can make hay with the compensation draft pick and bonus money.
    ". . . acquiring J. Blanton from Oakland for, apparently, Bailey/Cueto, Votto and a lesser prospect. I do it in a second . . . The Reds' equation this year is simple: Make Matt Belisle your #3 starter . . . trade for Blanton, win 85 or more, be in the mix all summer." - Paul Daugherty, Feb. 8, 2008

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    Re: Brian McCann

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I thought his 2012 smacked of fluke. Maybe because he'll be in a free agent push next year he could re-fluke, but how much are you going to trade for one year of 3B whose standard season is something you can get from your current 3B who comes at 1/10 the price?
    Jocketty pulled off some trade-and-sign deals when he was with the Cardinals. Why can't he do that here? I know his payroll is more limited, but there's still some room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beltway View Post
    Jocketty pulled off some trade-and-sign deals when he was with the Cardinals. Why can't he do that here? I know his payroll is more limited, but there's still some room.
    I have nothing against the concept, but why do it for Chase Headley?
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