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    Re: who should they bring in as hitting coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by improbus View Post
    This might be a dumb question, but are there any famously successful hitting coaches? I can think of a bunch of pitching coaches, but I can't think of a single notable hitting coach. I'm not sure why someone like Dave Duncan or Mazzone gets credit for pitchers and no one seems to get noted for being a great hitting coach? Does anyone have an answer?
    Charlie Lau and Ted Kluzewski for two. Rudy Jaramillo has a lot of adherents, too, maybe as the best today.
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    Re: who should they bring in as hitting coach?

    Don Mattingly if he is fired

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    Re: who should they bring in as hitting coach?

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    Joey Votto. And I'm not kidding.
    I'm sure your cat would make an excellent hitting coach, but can the Reds afford him?
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    Re: who should they bring in as hitting coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    Charlie Lau and Ted Kluzewski for two. Rudy Jaramillo has a lot of adherents, too, maybe as the best today.
    Jaramillo most recently was the hitting coach for the Cubs until Theo took over. I remember a couple of Cubs fans at my work contributing Starlin Castro's falling off a cliff at the plate to Jaramillo's absence.

    Don't know whether he's interested in coaching again, but it'd be worth a shot.

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    Re: who should they bring in as hitting coach?

    Interesting blog post on the value of a hitting coach or, for that matter, a pitching coach.

    http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com...-baseball.html
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    Re: who should they bring in as hitting coach?

    And some other thoughts on the effect a hitting coach may or may not have on a team.

    http://www.platoonadvantage.com/2012...g-coaches.html
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    Re: who should they bring in as hitting coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by joshua View Post
    Jaramillo most recently was the hitting coach for the Cubs until Theo took over. I remember a couple of Cubs fans at my work contributing Starlin Castro's falling off a cliff at the plate to Jaramillo's absence.

    Don't know whether he's interested in coaching again, but it'd be worth a shot.
    If they could get Rudy out of retirement and into coaching again I'd be all for it. Guy is 64. Still young enough. Hitting coach/bench coach?
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    Re: who should they bring in as hitting coach?

    He pretty well nailed our hitting problems. Guys like Bruce and Phillips, who are among our best hitters, have big problems with swinging at strikes. When they do, they're very successful. I'm tired of watching them let an early pitch go right down the heart of the plate and then swing and miss a pitch way out of the strike zone. The playoff game vs Liriano really showed this. He rarely threw us stries cause he knew he didn't have to

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    You made me go back and double check. I could've sworn he'd passed already. He has. Back in '88.
    Yeah, but if we're getting Ted Williams' head, then anything's on the table.
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    Re: who should they bring in as hitting coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by BurgervilleBuck View Post
    Yeah, but if we're getting Ted Williams' head, then anything's on the table.
    Why get his head? Why not just go get Babe Ruth's power, Joe DiMaggio's swing, and the base stealing prowless of the 'old' Billy Hamilton?

    Then Hannahan might have a chance to be a positive difference maker on this team.
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    Re: who should they bring in as hitting coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by BungleBengals View Post
    Why get his head? Why not just go get Babe Ruth's power, Joe DiMaggio's swing, and the base stealing prowless of the 'old' Billy Hamilton?
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    Because none of those were preserved through cryogenics, unlike Mr. Williams' head.
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/bas...2/williams_si/

    Hall of Famer Ted Williams' head and body are being stored in separate containers at an Arizona cryonics lab that is still trying to collect a $111,000 bill from Williams' son, according to a story by Tom Verducci in the latest issue of Sports Illustrated.

    Williams' remains have been suspended in liquid nitrogen at Alcor Life Extension Foundation in Scottsdale, Ariz., since the former slugger's death in July 2002. Williams' son, John Henry Williams, had his father placed in cryonic suspension, a deep-freezing process done in hopes that future scientific advances will restore the dead to life.

    But contrary to recent news reports, Williams' body is not resting upside down in a liquid nitrogen tank at Alcor. Instead, reports Verducci, his head sits on a shelf in a liquid nitrogen-filled steel can, while his body is in the same room, stored upright in a liquid nitrogen-filled, nine-foot-tall cylindrical steel tank.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...ticle-1.381985

    In "Frozen," Larry Johnson, a former exec at the Alcor Life Extension Foundation in Scottsdale, Ariz., graphically describes how The Splendid Splinter" was beheaded, his head frozen and repeatedly abused.

    The book, out Tuesday from Vanguard Press, tells how Williams' corpse became "Alcorian A-1949" at the facility, where bodies are kept suspended in liquid nitrogen in case future generations learn how to revive them.
    Johnson writes that in July 2002, shortly after the Red Sox slugger died at age 83, technicians with no medical certification gleefully photographed and used crude equipment to decapitate the majors' last .400 hitter.

    Williams' severed head was then frozen, and even used for batting practice by a technician trying to dislodge it from a tuna fish can.
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    Re: who should they bring in as hitting coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    One reason could be that pitching coaches are visible. We see them going out to the mound to talk to pitchers, this gives them screen time and notoriety. We never see a hitting coach go out to T Frazier after he swings at a first pitch in the dirt to give him stategy.
    I think that's a major reason why hitting coaches - save for Charlie Lau - don't get a lot of publicity. The reality is that for all the criticism of Jacoby, when you ask most of those people who they would replace him with you get a blank stare or something like, "Uhhh...Eric Davis?" ED may be a fantastic hitting coach but all he's worked with so far are minor leaguers. For most of us, we really don't know who could be a much better replacement. CAn a hitting coach really improve a batter? Could he make Zach Cozart into Troy Tulowitzski? Could he make Billy Hamilton into Rickey Henderson?
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    Re: who should they bring in as hitting coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I think that's a major reason why hitting coaches - save for Charlie Lau - don't get a lot of publicity. The reality is that for all the criticism of Jacoby, when you ask most of those people who they would replace him with you get a blank stare or something like, "Uhhh...Eric Davis?" ED may be a fantastic hitting coach but all he's worked with so far are minor leaguers. For most of us, we really don't know who could be a much better replacement. CAn a hitting coach really improve a batter? Could he make Zach Cozart into Troy Tulowitzski? Could he make Billy Hamilton into Rickey Henderson?
    Would you have taken Dick Pole over Bryan Price the past few seasons.

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    Re: who should they bring in as hitting coach?

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    Would you have taken Dick Pole over Bryan Price the past few seasons.
    Probably not but Price had better pitchers to work with. The point being that we know much more about the various pitching coaches around baseball than we do the hitting coaches. Not that selecting a hitting coach is a crapshoot but because they are by and large unknown, anyone sounds better than the incumbent.

    Another thing to remember is that according to LaRussa, hitters don't like to be meddled with. They hate trying a new stance or swing because they believe they had to have done something right to get that far. He also saw that pitchers are just the opposite. So you may end up hiring the best hitting coach in the world and if the hitters don't listen to him, it isn't going to make a difference.
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    Jose Canseco is available


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